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Friday, February 13, 2026

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00:43:57bomb"Programs must be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute."
01:32:09dragonmasterThat sounds suspiciously Knuthy
02:00:13dreamrealIt does, and it's good advice
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07:06:21if-p-then-qHiya! I'm on the train to my java lecture and decided to look it over, seems like we cover packages today, if I'd waited a week to start my project I may have had an easier time understanding the project structure lol
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16:53:46dreamrealwelp, nevet has PEP support. The RFC process isn't idempotent - the first request yields different responses than later requests, but that's because the first request gives you the data from the RFC or whatever, and subsequent requests are factoids.
16:53:50dreamrealjsr 12
16:53:51nevetjsr 12: Java Data Objects (JDO) Specification (https://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=12)
16:53:58dreamrealoh, nevet's muted here :D
16:54:48dreamrealbut this is neat: adding extra spec requests like that is pretty simple.
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18:54:05deeboi was wondering wtf is this new nevet spec, 'nevet pep' google search only brings up post exposure medication for hiv...
18:58:05dreamrealdeebo: /whois nevet :D
18:58:49dreamrealI'm about to do a new release on it, lots of little fixes as I poke and prod
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19:06:07[twisti]fuck that api shit, id just curl and pretend to be firefox or something
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19:09:32dreamrealyoutube and twitter used to encode the title in the data somewhere; I don't know if they still do, but it was always a pain to work with.
19:09:56cheeseranti-bot/scraping
19:10:44dreamrealYeah. Avoiding the anti-scraping is not that difficult at all; it's a little impolite, but they kinda ask for it by being evil or evil-ish. That still leaves the problem of finding the title.
19:11:22[twisti]css.select("yt-formatted-string.ytd-watch-metadata:nth-child(1)");
19:11:31dreamrealright, that's for... youtube, yeah?
19:11:43[twisti]probably got to adjust that every few months, but less often than the api
19:11:45[twisti]yeah
19:11:48dreamrealWhich means we need special selectors for that site, which is the whole point I was making.
19:12:02[twisti]as opposed to a special api for that site ?
19:12:30[twisti]or just say fuck it, run puppeteer and grab the actual title
19:12:43[twisti]though that probably opens a whole new can of worms
19:12:46dreamrealRunning puppeteer for an irc bot sounds... uh...
19:13:24dreamrealI mean, I can just say "if the site matches this, use this selector mechanism" which means I'm just writing selectors/client profiles for twitter and youtube specifically, not too far off from how javabot does it today
19:14:41dreamreal~8 ball
19:14:41javabotMost likely
19:15:15dreamrealnevet does that with an interpolation: "<reply>(Yes|No|Maybe|Ask me( tomorrow| again| again tomorrow)|It's (unclear|unknowable))."
19:16:06dreamrealand yes, the expression could be "more efficient." The goal was to get it working, where you can nest the expressions.
19:17:33dreamrealnevet also does JCP/JSR/RFC lookups but seeds the factoid system with the retrieved information, so now you can annotate jsr 52's text with "don't use this crap!" and such
19:18:59dreamrealit's still not "ready" - I'm filing new issues pretty often - but a lot of those issues are being fixed with relatively little code.
19:24:09dreamrealbuilding is a pain - 850+ tests :D