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  2. javabotPlease paste your code and any errors online. For runnable classes, try https://ideone.com/ . For general code and errors, use https://gist.github.com or https://dpaste.org/
  3. nevethttps://gist.github.com "Discover gists" || https://dpaste.org/ "dpaste - RED ALERT"
  4. samlto convert Map<String, Object> to https://sdk.amazonaws.com/java/api/latest/software/amazon/awssdk/core/document/internal/MapDocument.html , do I need to write recursion myself?
  5. nevetMapDocument (AWS SDK for Java - 2.42.7)
  6. javabotsaml's title: "MapDocument (AWS SDK for Java - 2.42.7)"
  7. ParaI'm like 100% sure you're doing something wrong.
  8. Para1) The package has "internal" in it 2) AWS SDKs are meant to be used through various clients and they produce the necessary objects themselves or have builders available for whatever calls you do, in both parameter and lambda forms.
  9. deavmiNobody is on this network
  10. samli'm trying to use bedrock with mcp. https://www.javadocs.dev/io.modelcontextprotocol.sdk/mcp-core/1.0.0/io/modelcontextprotocol/spec/McpSchema.JsonSchema.html
  11. javabotsaml's title: "McpSchema.JsonSchema (Java MCP SDK Core 1.0.0 API)"
  12. samlto use mcp tools with bedrock, I have to convert mcp tool's json schema to awssdk Document
  13. ParaMapDocument#mapBuilder()
  14. ParaThat said I don't think that's entirely correct as the package still does say "internal", which feels very wrong.
  15. dreamrealwhy not just use jackson and serialize the map if it's the right shape
  16. ParaThere's tons of example over at the AWS docs have you looked at these? https://docs.aws.amazon.com/sdk-for-java/latest/developer-guide/java_bedrock-runtime_code_examples.html
  17. nevetAmazon Bedrock Runtime examples using SDK for Java 2.x - AWS SDK for Java 2.x
  18. samlI can get serialized json string. But I don't know how to convert the string to awssdk Document. https://sdk.amazonaws.com/java/api/latest/software/amazon/awssdk/core/document/Document.html#mapBuilder()
  19. nevetDocument (AWS SDK for Java - 2.42.7)
  20. javabotsaml's title: "Document (AWS SDK for Java - 2.42.7)"
  21. ParaYou probably should drop the LLM for like a week and read the actual docs directly.
  22. Parasaml: What are you building even, what's the goal?
  23. samlbuilding llm agent thingy that supports mcp. and spring ai was okay upto certain point and I have to use bedrock directly
  24. ParaThat doesn't sound like a goal. It's missing the why. But okay.
  25. dreamrealan agent that... supports MCP? A tool? Or the deployment for it?
  26. dreamrealBecause i can tell you straight up that spring AI managed "support MCP" fine. As far as deploying it in AWS, that's a completely different thing.
  27. jbosmanssaml, for starters 2 questions i guess, 1) what are you trying to accomplish high level, as in end goal? 2) for what purpose?
  28. DoofusCanadensis1) Lancelot of Camelot 2) Quest to seek the Holy Grail
  29. dreamrealsomething something bint with a sword
  30. cheeserblah blah blah watery tart ...
  31. ParaI'd be kinda open for strange women lying in ponds distributing swords as basis for a system of government at this point.
  32. jbosmansDoofusCanadensis, I salute you !
  33. jbosmansdid i ask stupid questions?
  34. dreamrealnot at all
  35. jbosmans~dreamreal++
  36. nevet~dreamreal now has karma of 2.
  37. javabotjbosmans, what does that even *mean*?
  38. jbosmansdarnit
  39. jbosmanswhat's cooking?
  40. dreamrealI'm tryna spin up an actual website wooo
  41. jbosmansapparently java 26 is about done
  42. jbosmanswoo for websites !
  43. dreamrealI suck at 'em
  44. jbosmanshow so?
  45. dreamrealThis is gonna be horrible but functional
  46. jbosmanswait
  47. jbosmansCSS
  48. jbosmans:-D
  49. dreamrealyeah well
  50. jbosmansfunctional ftw
  51. dreamrealI have a neurological condition that predisposes me to being ungood at such things
  52. Paradreamreal: spin...a WEB site, huh
  53. jbosmansi always thought if you have too much time to spend on your website you probably don't have much else to do
  54. jbosmansi realize that's probably a pre-llm opinion:)
  55. dreamrealWell, if the purpose is presenting content, getting it right is an actual skill
  56. DoofusCanadensisI'm trying to convert my CV to HTML to put on a web site
  57. dreamrealsee: nielsen, jakob
  58. jbosmansdreamreal, website for what ?
  59. DoofusCanadensischeese
  60. Para+r?
  61. Parahighly specific
  62. jbosmansDoofusCanadensis, that was really :-)
  63. dreamrealjbosmans: nevet
  64. DoofusCanadensischeese, nevet. probably the same thing
  65. dreamrealsurprisingly not :D
  66. jbosmansi somehow thought nevet was on github
  67. jbosmansbut i stand corrected
  68. dreamrealit is
  69. dreamrealhttps://github.com/jottinger/bytecode.news . nevet is just an instance of bytecode.news.
  70. javabotdreamreal's title: "GitHub - jottinger/bytecode.news: The nevet codebase, generally for bytecode.news · GitHub"
  71. DoofusCanadensisthis would be a website for everything that nevet keeps track of. not the source code
  72. dreamrealI loved sun back in the day, so why use simple naming conventions, right?
  73. jbosmansahh didn't know
  74. jbosmansone must think about the names !
  75. jbosmansi hear you :)
  76. dreamrealit gets worse, actually
  77. dreamrealthe ACTUAL CODEBASE internally is "streampack," bytecode.news is the layer that handles content management as a specific version (v5, AKSHUALLY) and nevet is *a presentation* of how it looks on IRC or slack :D
  78. dreamrealnow shut up, I know
  79. jbosmanslegacy screws us all
  80. jbosmansfor good reasons (?)à
  81. jbosmans-à :-)
  82. jbosmanssomeday i'll change some codebases packages
  83. dreamrealthe lifecycle of nevet goes back to about 2006, maybe even earlier if you consider the concept from purl
  84. jbosmans*packagenames
  85. dreamrealthe first java iteration was based on OSGi
  86. jbosmansdamn, that's two years before my oldest client's codebase
  87. Paramy names are super boring these days
  88. jbosmansosgi
  89. jbosmansthose were the days (and also not)
  90. dreamrealPara: I decided the name of the website and then wrote the new rev around it
  91. Parabackend-docstore-db, you'll never guess what it does
  92. dreamrealI hate naming things
  93. dreamrealokay, I'm getting some SSR features in, then I'm going to see if I can get this mofo deployed
  94. dreamrealthe SSR stuff isn't going to work at first, it'll just BE there so I can eventually nudge nginx to using it, but the site should work regardless. I will warn you: it will look like ass.
  95. ParaI wonder if I should do event sourcing to my upcoming insanity of a webpage.
  96. dreamrealThe API is working, though, which is the biggest jump: the idea is that people who're GOOD at UI can take the API and build something useful from it, and the reference UI (the bit I'm building now) can LITERALLY be a testbed for features
  97. ParaThat's the way to do it tbh.
  98. ParaDid it in my previous project as well, it was even written in a bit of user facing doc that if you don't like it, here's our API, let your nerds know :) Not exactly in these words but the sentiment was there.
  99. dreamrealit's set up so you can have svelte.bytecode.news, react.bytecode.news, whatever, they all talk to api.bytecode.news
  100. dreamrealand if someone's going "man, MY UI skills are the best," I don't care, put it out there, I'll deploy it
  101. jbosmansdreamreal, what kind of stack (if any) are you using?
  102. jbosmansfor the website ^
  103. dreamrealjbosmans: give me a few minutes and I'll publish the branch
  104. jbosmansbest answer ever
  105. dreamrealit's vite for the reference
  106. jbosmanswhat, react SSR :o
  107. dreamrealpffft
  108. jbosmansi'll wait
  109. jbosmans:)
  110. dreamrealSSR for this is literally "wrap <html><title/><body> around the generated content"
  111. dreamrealbut I'm not hooking SSR in at first
  112. jbosmansi'm totally not opinionated
  113. dreamrealthat's a fairly deep nginx config to trap a crawler and forward to the SSR endpoint
  114. dreamrealthe thing about the reference UI is it's all client-side
  115. jbosmanswhich is fine and makes sense i'd say
  116. dreamreallike, it has NO content, so SEO wouldn't work at first: it WILL work in that crawlers DO run javascript but it's much slower
  117. jbosmanscrawlers have caught up afaik
  118. jbosmansa long time ago
  119. dreamrealYeah, but they're SLOW.
  120. jbosmansmost crawling will be for *.php files anyway :)
  121. dreamrealJ!JHG#&!^# just remembered ANOTHER feature I need out of the gate.
  122. jbosmans"just vibe code it" I only read that somewhere
  123. DoofusCanadensisdo you not have a design document?
  124. dreamrealwell, that's most of the UI :D
  125. jbosmansone needs a proposal.md
  126. jbosmansand design.md
  127. dreamrealDoofusCanadensis: yes, it's written in neurons and synapses!
  128. DoofusCanadensisand hopefully not a divorce.md
  129. jbosmansand tasks.md
  130. DoofusCanadensismaybe a prenuptual.md
  131. jbosmanstoo late for that ?
  132. dreamrealI've been married for 33 years, if she's gonna divorce me it's been a great run
  133. jbosmansdamn, beat my 21
  134. DoofusCanadensisat 28 here
  135. jbosmanstogether, not married
  136. jbosmanshouse & kids is married enough ;)
  137. dreamrealyeah, I had no comment 'cause it's not my monkey, not my circus
  138. dreamrealif you're happy and stable, I stop caring
  139. jbosmansi appreciate that, and likewise
  140. dreamrealthe only real danger zone for that stuff is fatherlessness for kids
  141. jbosmansyeah
  142. jbosmanswe'll get married, easiest way to arrange *
  143. dreamrealThat turns out to be the easiest discriminator for ALL KINDS of problems
  144. jbosmanshaven't gotten around to it (yet)
  145. jbosmanswe share one bank account
  146. dreamrealit's not a guarantee, to have a father present, but no father == much higher chance of social ills
  147. jbosmansappreciated
  148. jbosmansthe plan is to get it arranged
  149. ParaDo the kids know they're married to the house?)
  150. dreamrealWell, like I say, it's not an issue to me
  151. jbosmansPara, they're 6 & 10 so hopefully no
  152. dreamrealI'm glad to be married but whether OTHER people are married or not is irrelevant to me
  153. jbosmansdreamreal, 100% agree
  154. dreamrealokay, this thing is about marinated enough
  155. ParaI've had plenty of people in my family tree who've followed the "Hey honey, we've been together for 40 years, I guess we're kinda married." "Yeah, I guess?" "Should we swing by the magistrate next weekend and make it official?" "Sure, I was meaning to go that way anyway, I need a haircut." story.
  156. dreamrealrunning a system test as sort of a last gasp
  157. dreamrealPara: haha
  158. dreamrealsounds like my grandparents
  159. jbosmansPara, all is well that ends well ? :)à
  160. ParaOn a bit of less funny side, usually that happens after first death scare, but YMMV.
  161. dreamrealthey got married by a judge's WIFE because the judge was drunk, I made a point out of asking my mother and uncle if they were bastards because of it. They, uh, did not appreciate this.
  162. jbosmansdreamreal, damn :)
  163. ParaIn Finnish legislation marriage is technically speaking a sentence by courts, and so is divorce. This is just so that the related laws can be enforced on you legally.
  164. jbosmansnot that i'm the most subtle in such things either
  165. jbosmansPara, it's a legal arrangement in belgium too
  166. jbosmans"best arranged" if something goes wrong
  167. dreamrealjbosmans: my grandparents thought it was kinda funny: they were also some of the most gentle, kindest people I've had the blessing to know. My OTHER grandfather met them before my dad and mother got married, expecting to dress them down and incinerate them as country bumpkins, ignorant wretches
  168. jbosmansoh :-/
  169. dreamrealI mean... my paternal grandfather was apparently A MACHINE. He called up johns hopkins one day and said "here's what you're going to do" and they did it
  170. jbosmansdifferent times? :-/
  171. dreamrealso he met my maternal grandparents, one with an 8th grade education, thinking "i'mma destroy these people and shut all this down" and two hours later everything was good, no problems at all
  172. dreamrealwell, he was, like I said, a machine
  173. jbosmansthese days there's a bunch of words for that
  174. jbosmansnot way back then
  175. dreamrealHE had a second-grade education but would call *literal* kings and they'd answer - johns hopkins wasn't exactly a stretch for him
  176. jbosmansi should say "a bunch of potential words"
  177. dreamrealHe had a line to the windsors and the dude in monaco
  178. dreamrealbautista, etc
  179. jbosmanscrazy
  180. dreamrealhe was something else
  181. dreamrealterrifying man, at 5'6, but he was always nice to me
  182. jbosmansso you have royal blood in your veins?
  183. dreamrealgod no
  184. dreamrealwe're ashkenazi jews, emigrated out of poland in the early 1900s, we're peasants
  185. jbosmans"but he was always nice to me"
  186. jbosmansthat's all that matters?
  187. jbosmansover here we were all peasants
  188. dreamrealIt certainly was to me
  189. ParaThere seems to be an interesting cohort of people who are a bit more stout and shorter than the average and somehow they seem to be more like condensed persons than just what their height is.
  190. dreamrealMy grandfather and six others fled poland in 1903, found their way to TX, then 30 years later the 200+ people they'd left behind disappeared, not sure what happened :/
  191. jbosmans:(
  192. dreamrealwierd, right?
  193. jbosmansi visited warshaw 20 years ago
  194. jbosmansyeah :(
  195. jbosmansnazis did terrible things in poland
  196. dreamrealwe're actually not sure what happened: they either assimilated so completely they were lost, or were "assimilated" so completely they morphed into soap
  197. jbosmansbut i'm guessing this was before that
  198. dreamrealno, they disappeared around 1939-1942
  199. jbosmans:(
  200. dreamrealfor some reason I take stuff like that a little personally, go figure
  201. jbosmansyeah, makes sense
  202. dreamrealI keep wondering what having a large family would be like
  203. Paraafaik all archives are available online for those things, but finding the original leads can be nigh impossible
  204. ParaIt becomes a game of likelihoods and deads ends and...yeah.
  205. dreamrealPara: that's what I mean: yad vashem should have it, but I have no references to START with
  206. jbosmanspoland had it terrible during WW II
  207. dreamrealso I don't know if I could trace them
  208. dreamrealinstead, I memorialize it as "never again" and mean it.
  209. jbosmansmay it be so
  210. ParaThere's some really large brush strokes someone could guess, but that's just guessing. Like, specific region probably went to specific camps etc.
  211. dreamrealI wish no-one ill - I have friends in germany whose progenitors were indeed literal nazis, we each live our own lives - but I remember
  212. dreamrealPara: "family history" says ploiesti or treblinka, but ... well. "Family history." Nobody knows.
  213. Para(fwiw I don't have any personal contact to this whole part of Europe's history, but nazis do fucking suck)
  214. jbosmansit's .. difficult
  215. jbosmanstime does go by
  216. jbosmansand things also happen in our day & age
  217. dreamrealAnd it's cylical. 1941 was not that long ago.
  218. jbosmansyeah, totally not
  219. dreamrealBarely a blink, really, and only the worst in a long string of such events.
  220. jbosmansin belgium we have a bunch of people from ukraine
  221. dreamrealholy crap, I just pushed all this
  222. dreamrealslava ukraini. I feel horrible for those people.
  223. jbosmansnot to mention all other nationalities
  224. jbosmanswill be nice when "things get better"
  225. jbosmansbut not for now it seems
  226. Paradreamreal: Heroyam slava, indeed.
  227. jbosmanswell said <dreamreal> slava ukraini.
  228. DisconsentedNice to see some support for Ukraine here :D
  229. ParaSomeone once said that world has major war every time the oldest of the previous ones die. Which is...what it seems to be like.
  230. dreamrealDisconsented: I don't suppport war but I support the people. I send money to the red cross in ukraine routinely.
  231. dreamrealI ain't rich but I do what I can.
  232. ParaIt's literally midnight over here so I don't have much brain power left, but it's no coincidence how we reacted to the full-scale invasion here in Finland and how strongly we feel about supporting Ukraine.
  233. dreamrealPara: I was and am furious about it.
  234. dreamrealMy feelings about the various wars right now are complex and uncomfortable.
  235. jbosmansPara, is the sea near helsinki frozen? I guess not anymore these days?
  236. dreamrealBUT: I'm for ukraine, and screw the IRGC.
  237. ParaI'm kinda trapped in the "some of these things are super obvious and should just be done, damnit" mindset.
  238. dreamrealI hate war but an unwavering dedication to AVOIDING it is a good way to end up in a forever war with no resolution. if you're going to fight, end that shit. Permanently. Leave a mark. The loser should wake up thinking "I ain't-a gonna war no more."
  239. jbosmansdreamreal, i follow, but when did it ever happen like that?
  240. Parajbosmans: It doesn't freeze over properly in southern seas, and we of course keep trade routes open, but it's as frozen as it could be.
  241. jbosmansvenezuala??
  242. dreamrealjbosmans: it's happened a lot. We tend not to remember it well because the losers fade into history.
  243. dreamrealRemember Assyria?
  244. dreamrealThe Medes?
  245. jbosmansPara, it mostly was when i was in helsinki 20yrs-ish ago
  246. dreamrealjbosmans: https://github.com/jottinger/bytecode.news/tree/feature/reference-ui-169
  247. javabotdreamreal's title: "GitHub - jottinger/bytecode.news at feature/reference-ui-169 · GitHub"
  248. dreamrealthe PR is running now, thinking about merging :D
  249. jbosmansmmmm, guess that comes down to how one defines war?
  250. Parahttps://browser.dataspace.copernicus.eu/?zoom=14&lat=60.16095&lng=24.94398 and hit the big green button :)
  251. nevetCopernicus Browser
  252. dreamrealjbosmans: we haven't really had a resolved war in America since WW II.
  253. dreamrealWe learned a stupid lesson from the french and it's crippled us ever since.
  254. jbosmansPara, omg it's date based? :-D
  255. jbosmansdreamreal, nor did we in europe
  256. Parajbosmans: Copernicus is the ESA weather satellite system, that website, Sentinel Playground, is a browser for the data.
  257. jbosmanswell, I think we didn't start one
  258. jbosmansPara, yeah i recognize the name
  259. jbosmansgreat, didn't know that
  260. ParaIt's quite cool :) Anyway, what was the topic if any
  261. dreamrealjbosmans: *nod* well, it's understandable: france lost a generation of men in WW I and it utterly capped them for WW II: if they'd have said "damn the torpedoes, screw it, Hitler, we're coming for you" in 1938 there'd have been no world war
  262. jbosmansdreamreal, yeah agree, france had the way better army in 1938
  263. ParaThe one thing which past four years has taught me and a lot of other Finns is that what we have especially in national defense and have had and built in the past 70 years is just simply different.
  264. dreamrealwe lost a lot of men in WW II and decided to act the same way: "we don't want to commit a lot of men to total war, we might lose some! Eeek!" and that's a doctrine that Rumsfelt incorporated into Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan...
  265. ParaThe full 180 in "those Finns are crazy and paranoid" to "those Finns sure seem to be right about all of this" was nuts.
  266. jbosmansPara, yeah Finland is close :/
  267. dreamrealPara: the finns are respectable
  268. dreamrealThe UK, not so much
  269. dreamreal"We WOULD send our one destroyer to defend our national interests but we can't, it's not ready and asking the workers to MAKE it ready might offend them"
  270. jbosmansdreamreal, it makes sense not to want to sacrifice ones children/partners/..
  271. dreamrealjbosmans: absolutely.
  272. jbosmansbut somehow things still get started
  273. dreamrealIt's not that I don't understand the impulse.
  274. dreamrealI have kids: I GET IT.
  275. jbosmansright now i don't understand it
  276. jbosmansany of it i guess
  277. dreamrealWell, imagine you have a bad dog
  278. dreamrealbut you love dogs
  279. jbosmansfrom ukraine, to israel/gaza, to iran
  280. dreamrealwhat do you do about the bad dog
  281. ParaI think Poland only just recently passed us in number of artillery cannons/howitzers.
  282. jbosmansdreamreal, the allegory doesn't hold imho
  283. jbosmansi understand what you mean i think
  284. jbosmansbut we're all still people
  285. dreamrealjbosmans: well, I think it does: you have a rabid actor out there who's more than happy to die as long as you die too
  286. dreamrealI'd far rather they feel differently
  287. dreamrealI have no desire to see people harmed, even people who say they hate me
  288. ParaNot proportionately, just literally number vs another. Also as a (poorly trained) grenadier I have a soft spot for mortars and I could go on this tangent forever. Our green steel products are nice.
  289. jbosmansdreamreal, i'm wondering now if you're talking about iran or russia?
  290. dreamrealbut if it's "allow them to harm me" or "kick them out of the future" I know which one I'd choose
  291. ParaStephen Fry had a nice quote about fighting for the other person's right to disagree or something like that.
  292. dreamrealjbosmans: yes
  293. jbosmansPara, 2 great lines you posted there
  294. jbosmansdreamreal, understood :)
  295. dreamrealI'm willing to allow people with whom I disagree to live. Others seem unwilling to say the same. Those others are not rational beings with whom I can survive.
  296. jbosmansrussia got away with a lot tho right
  297. jbosmansand keeps on doing so
  298. dreamrealScrew russia. Yes, they've gotten away with a lot. if we can kick the IRGC out of power, russia's capabilities drop like a stone.
  299. jbosmansi understand iran is not my friend
  300. jbosmansPara, that would be great <3
  301. dreamrealWhatI'd love to see is the Iranian people rise up and kick the IRGC into the suez. Let 'em swim. or not. Who cares. And then if they can use their capabilities to build - and I think they can - then they're welcome into the new world.
  302. dreamrealEvery Iranian I've ever known has been awesome.
  303. jbosmansso would i, i'm afraid it's iraq #2
  304. jbosmanswell, #3
  305. dreamrealjbosmans: well, there're a LOT of differences between Iran and Iraq and Afghanistan
  306. ParaThe whole Middle East has always been a confusing mess faction wise.
  307. jbosmansonly winner so far is israel (hate to say it)
  308. dreamrealIran has a VERY large and very professional underclass under the IRGC's thumb
  309. dreamrealI don't hate to say it! Am yisrael chai!
  310. jbosmansunderstand
  311. Paraand by mess I mean stuff like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war#/media/File:Syrian-War_main_Participants.png
  312. nevetSyrian civil war - Wikipedia
  313. dreamrealYou'd think all those guys, losing to tiny israel over and over and over and over again, would get the hint
  314. jbosmansdreamreal, netanyahu tho
  315. dreamrealyeah, well
  316. jbosmansi'll take "well" :)
  317. dreamrealwhen the wars stop so does he
  318. dreamrealI don't think he'll be excessively missed
  319. jbosmansyou really believe that?
  320. dreamrealGiven that I know Israelis, yeah
  321. jbosmansgiven all ?
  322. jbosmansi hope so
  323. dreamrealthey're tolerating him now because he's useful
  324. jbosmansi really do
  325. jbosmansPara, the mess is basically endless
  326. dreamrealhe's not really a moustache-twirling snidely whiplash anyway, but ... eh, if gaza had managed to keep it in its pants he'd already be gone
  327. jbosmansdreamreal, how many people died so far between israel & gaza sinds the hamas attack? Naively divided into two numbers?
  328. dreamrealroughly 82k
  329. ParaA bit more locally I hope Orban...I don't know, takes a helicopter trip to Moscow or whatever, just leaves the scene.
  330. dreamreal6k in israel, 75k in gaza
  331. jbosmans^
  332. jbosmansPara, agree
  333. dreamrealisrael's had casualties since oct 7 but not many because they prioritize protecting their people and not slaughtering anyone else
  334. dreamrealhave you seen the casualty ratios in gaza?
  335. jbosmansso 7% israel (which is too many), 93% palestine (which is too many)
  336. dreamrealjbosmans: and how many would gaza have had to suffer without that 6k number in israel?
  337. jbosmansdreamreal, how far back do you want to take it ?
  338. dreamrealI had a conversation with someone on like oct 20 or so that year who was going "well, Israel needed to get out of gaza!" and I was like "cool! Yeah, too bad they did that in 2005"
  339. jbosmansit's a screwed up situation, i'm happy i don't have to fix it, i couldn't
  340. dreamrealjbosmans: As far as you like. The history there doesn't speak well for the arabs.
  341. jbosmansbut with netanyahu things are out of control imho
  342. jbosmansand that's after sharon
  343. dreamrealThere's a lot of blood and it's unfortunate but the arabs are the bad guys.
  344. jbosmansi think both sides can eventually blame the other for all that's happened, it's just been too much
  345. jbosmansall the rockets whatnot
  346. jbosmanssettlements
  347. dreamrealWell, here's a core difference: Israel targets militants.
  348. jbosmansi'm afraid netanyahu has political reasons to keep waging war(s)
  349. ParaIt's also become generational on both sides. Or all sides? Even that could be debated, I suppose, but it's maybe not the most important split to focus on.
  350. deavmi Israel targets militants.
  351. deavmiGoy slop lie dreamreal
  352. dreamrealjbosmans: That's possibly true but leading israel around like that's kinda difficult
  353. jbosmansPara, yeah, in the end someone can always blame someone else, it's been going on so long. But imho israel lost the higher ground,alas
  354. jbosmans*moral higher ground
  355. jbosmansdreamreal, yeah true, especially today i guess
  356. ParaMy method has been on thinking about the logistics etc. instead of morals, and trying to see the what-ifs.
  357. dreamrealdeavmi: well, okay, the ratio of militants to civilians in gaza over the past two years is something like 1:1 - not quite, but really, really close. This is according to Hamas' own numbers; this isn't a hard count, but this is what THEY say. The expectation for a "GOOD" urban civilian casualty ratio is 1:9 - 9 civilians for one combatant.
  358. deavmiYou take a look at Gaza and tell me each and every house bombed house a militant. Never seen such a dlinquint remark come from somebody. dreamreal
  359. deavmiGet off your goy train mate, you;re making a fool of yourself. Nobody cares about might makes right, and just an FYI the IDF has bombed several churches in Gaza.
  360. deavmi"A land without a people (lie) for a people without a land (lie, see Hollywood and every country ever gladly accepts 'Jews')
  361. ParaLets say the entirety of Gaza just blips away. It's now 300 feet of ocean. So Israel wins. I would imagine they'd do pretty well and live with modern values and so on. But that's just one regional problem, now there's all the other ones left.
  362. dreamrealdeavmi: as a Jew who's an emigrant generationally, and one who knows his people's history, suggesting we're accepted everywhere is sadly ironic
  363. dreamrealBUT
  364. dreamrealYO
  365. dreamrealhere's the thing, and I'm at fault: this is all politics
  366. dreamrealand #java is sort of politics-free
  367. dreamreallet's all get back on topic
  368. deavmiI'm white and live in a majority black country. I don't feel like a vicmtim. Stop playing the card. So what, people can hirt your feelings. Grow up, I've been called or sorts of things. You're just a weak man.
  369. deavmiGet some balls
  370. jbosmansPara, well put. Would be nice to have a two separate state solution
  371. dreamrealdeavmi: did I say I was a -wait this is still politics
  372. dreamrealjbosmans: right? I'd love a workable two-state solution. Israel handed Gaza over in 2005; see how well that worked for everyone.
  373. dreamrealPOLITICS.
  374. dreamrealEnough.
  375. jbosmansdeavmi, please keep it civil
  376. ParaAnyway, I'm off to bed.
  377. jbosmansnn Para
  378. ParaI'm gonna bake some cinnamon rolls tomorrow. I recommend you get some as well.
  379. jbosmans3rd bbq of the year tomorrow
  380. deavmiEu tenho dizido o que eu preciso. Ate logo
  381. jbosmansbut i'll keep your suggestion in mind :-D
  382. jbosmansdeavmi, i'm interested, what does that translate to?
  383. deavmi"Ek het gese what eh het nodig"
  384. deavmiI have said what I needed
  385. deavmiThere, 3 translations
  386. jbosmansthanks :)
  387. deavmiTotsies/bye
  388. deavmiyep
  389. deavmicya
  390. jbosmanscheers
  391. jbosmansalso cheers to things improving globally
  392. deavmimay the lives of innocent people be spared, and may people speak before shooting eachother.
  393. deavmiCheers to that indeed jbosmans
  394. jbosmanswell put deavmi, second that
  395. dreamrealdeavmi: from your fingers to god's ears
  396. jbosmans"make it so" as picard would say
  397. jbosmansdreamreal, unless intentional you may want to update the top title in README.md on the bytecode.news repo? Unless i should file a bug for that
  398. jbosmansalso, i love a good multi module project :)
  399. dreamrealwhich one?
  400. dreamrealFile an issue, please
  401. jbosmansalas, haven't used github in ages and am thus logged out
  402. dreamrealWell, PM me the details and I'll file it