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Sunday, March 15, 2026

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00:01:43dreamrealkcomhnall: hahaha wait what
00:12:16kcomhnalleh, nevermind. I was asking what folks use for wireframing their project's schema. Last thing I used was Figma.com or something. I just used AI for a quick mock up svg but I can't edit it on the fly.
00:14:13dreamrealI don't diagram much, because I'm not that kind of learner, but when I'm asked to diagram, it's plantuml in asciidoc.
00:14:22* kcomhnall also thought I had to pay for jakarta.validation cause intellij said I need to use ultimate to pull it in - but I see just adding the artifact to my build.gradle.kts file works fine
00:14:32dreamreal(It's also rarely UML itself, plantuml does a lot of diagramming things.)
00:14:39dreamrealheh
00:14:57dreamrealjetbrains-- yeah, IDEA doesn't require you to do ANYTHING to use java
00:14:57nevetjetbrains now has karma of -1.
00:16:29dreamrealThat's misleading, probably YOU misreading to be honest but that's still on them
00:17:01kcomhnallwell it didn't say to upgrade it's was just the only option rather than [install]
00:19:35dreamreal*nod*
00:19:51dreamrealI'm sure they'd prefer you upgraded, and honestly it's worth it, but that's up to YOU
00:23:50kcomhnallmight be worth it - costs about 1 1/2 worth of work. wish it was a one-time payment though.
00:24:32kcomhnalllike how ms office is
00:25:36kcomhnalleh.. 1 1/2 hrs worth of work*
00:29:04* kcomhnall referring to the yearly subscription (if not obvious)
00:29:17kcomhnallmaking $20 is soooo 2023
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01:13:55dmlloydthe trick with intellij is that if it asks whether you want to detect frameworks, you say "no"
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06:41:13Parakcomhnall: app.diagrams.net if I really want to make fancy graphs beforehand or for documentation purposes. Some kind of bastardization of UML, but definitely not UML.
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06:44:06Parare: plantuml, https://github.com/plantuml-stdlib/C4-PlantUML is excellent when it comes to architectural drawings
06:44:06nevetGitHub - plantuml-stdlib/C4-PlantUML: C4-PlantUML combines the benefits of PlantUML and the C4 model for providing a simple way of describing and communicate software architectures
06:44:07javabotPara's title: "GitHub - plantuml-stdlib/C4-PlantUML: C4-PlantUML combines the benefits of PlantUML and the C4 model for providing a simple way of describing and communicate software architectures · GitHub"
06:44:46ParaBut that's not really about schema, I generally don't care to document the "how" level of anything, as that's supposed to change over time anyway as requirements clarify.
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