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Thursday, April 23, 2026

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00:51:22tabmowAnyone taken the plunge and using Zed yet for an editor or ide?
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00:55:37jreicherNo, but I haven't tried any AI yet. I'd be interested to know how it compares with mature languages servers though. I've been very happy with LSP so far.
00:58:57whaleyno, because 1) the name reminds me of Zed Shaw 2) all of this bullshit is just the peak of inflated expectations in another dumb fucking hype cycle and 3) Zed's dead, baby... Zed's dead
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11:25:54dreamrealhttps://bytecode.news/posts/2026/04/cheerpj-4-3-webassembly-based-jvm-for-the-browser
11:25:54javabotdreamreal's title: "CheerpJ 4.3 - WebAssembly-based JVM for the browser | bytecode.news"
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13:05:18dreamrealanyone here ever use apache fory/fury?
13:05:22dreamreal(they renamed it)
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16:54:20ParacordWhat's the current sm0rtest way to publish a Java library? I had an account once to sonatype or somesuch but it's long gone.
16:54:26Paracord...also wtf @ my nick
16:56:36dreamrealPara: maven central is easy enough, depends on the access
16:57:16sonOfRaDo they still do that silly dance where you have to GPG sign every release, but don't actually have to put the public key anywhere, so they can't verify who signed it, but hey it's signed so it's secure?
16:58:00dreamrealI run my own freaking server, so nyar
16:59:32ParaI'd rather mail my passport to Sudan than deal with PGP :<
17:00:16ParaGPG. Whatever.
17:03:34p14nd4i believe PGP (OpenPGP) is the standard, GPG (GNU Privacy Guard) is an implementation
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17:55:42whaleyPara: I'm not up to speed, but last time I checked, any publicly hosted and maintained maven repo woudl do. You could even self host. Just make sure your libary's instructions mention needing to reference that repo, or at least mirror it. Though sonatype's is included by default and there's a good chance it's not going anywwhere anytime soon (unlike anything self hosted).
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17:56:24ParaAh but self-hosting would give me real time stats on the fact that no one wants to use my stuff.
17:56:25whaleyPara: IIRC, there was some way to just use github packages as a maven repo also
17:56:52whaleyno idea if that's advisable though... I just remember it existing
17:57:20ParaGitHub repos are as stable as GitHub itself, which is unfortunately a problem at times.
17:57:28dreamreal~gpt can I use github to host a maven-generated artifact?
17:57:29* whaley nods
17:57:32javabotYes, you can use GitHub to host a Maven-generated artifact. Maven artifacts can be pushed to a GitHub repository and then accessed as a dependency in your project. You can use GitHub Packages, which is a package hosting service integrated with GitHub. To get started, refer to the official GitHub documentation: https://docs.github.com/en/packages/guides/configuring-apache-maven-for-use-with-github-packages
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17:58:14ParaThat might be what I have to do though, as there's no GPG involved with them.
18:00:41DoofusCanadensisGitHub Packages can be used per repository or per organization
18:00:56DoofusCanadensisyou push the artifacts to the repository but can read them from either
18:02:41DoofusCanadensisif you have any complexity to your artifact repository needs, GitHub recommends their partner, JFrog's Artifactory.
18:22:48deebojust use artifactory, any time anyone even thinks about it or glances at it, it counts as an api request towards your quota
18:23:09deebono wait that was nexus
18:23:40Tenchilol
18:23:44Tenchitoo true
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19:10:40jbosmansi've used nexus "long ago", and would always do/recommend that for corps, being oldskool as i am i guess
19:10:54jbosmans"if they can get to your nexus, you've probably got bigger issues"
19:10:54dreamrealI deployed it locally myself for nevet
19:11:06dreamrealmanages the java artifacts and the docker images
19:11:17jbosmansyeah makes sense && good choice imho
19:11:32dreamrealwas definitely trivial
19:11:33jbosmansi've never been a big fan of "just use the cloud"
19:11:46jbosmansunless it's open source ofc
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19:12:19dreamrealI don't know why anyone else would really want nevet's core unless they were building a similar ingress/egress app (which ... actually should be pretty common, nevet's core is surprisingly general-cased)
19:12:46jbosmansin the end, every app is about I/O :)
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19:13:57jbosmansif ever, i guess i'd (try to) go for open source core, but not everything (every plugin/module/whatever)
19:14:39dreamrealnevet's licensed under MIT
19:15:07jbosmansi don't know how that works
19:15:15dreamrealsimilar to BSD/ASL
19:15:16jbosmansopenjdk iirc GPLv2
19:15:19dreamrealbasically open source
19:15:22dreamrealI refuse to use GPL
19:15:29jbosmansstronger than open source i think
19:15:35dreamrealyeah, but viral, and no
19:16:10jbosmanstypical "more opinions than devs" topic :)
19:16:28jbosmansi just work for my clients, zero open source :(
19:16:43Paramy favorite site for looking up licenses https://www.tldrlegal.com/
19:16:44javabotPara's title: "TLDRLegal - Software Licenses Explained in Plain English"
19:16:44nevetTLDRLegal - Software Licenses Explained in Plain English
19:16:45dreamrealyeah, but that's a choice I find pretty easy to make: when I make it so that anything that USES my code might be licensed under my license? ew.
19:17:08ParaI generally go either ASF2.0 or MIT (depends slightly on ecosystem) or CC0 if I don't care.
19:17:09jbosmansyeah enter amazon etc
19:17:20dreamrealThat's a hard thing to control with *java*, but the intent behind the license is enough to make me want to avoid it.
19:18:01jbosmanstough nut to crack :)
19:18:04jbosmansfor me ^
19:18:10jbosmans(brb)
19:18:12dreamrealWhat do you mean?
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19:54:57jbosmansoh, i meant (for me) licenses are tough nuts to crack
19:56:01jbosmansi actually did open source some tooling in my ibm days i remembered, iirc apache 2 license
19:56:51jbosmansit was around aligning (then websphere) portal theming with frontend dev
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