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Friday, April 24, 2026

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10:58:25odinsbaneI've got a strange issue with native libraries, jna specifically. I can bundle the native libraries in a jar file and include it in the classpath and everything works. The issue arises when another jar file contains a similar but wrong architecture dylib.
10:59:30odinsbaneHow do I/java know which jar file to find the .dylib?
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12:02:23cheeseryou'd have to scan your classpath
12:03:43dreamrealhttps://bytecode.news/posts/2026/04/jetbrains-survey-why-ai-stops-at-the-ci-cd-edge
12:03:43javabotdreamreal's title: "JetBrains Survey: Why AI Stops at the CI/CD Edge | bytecode.news"
12:07:51deeboour aws support guys are pushing haaaaard on ai stuff for infra and ci/cd automation
12:08:45deebo"just use it, free tokens with your enterprise support, it's not addictive and the price won't increase"
12:09:07deebolike spending 10k/mo on infra, and 100k/mo on log storage
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12:54:46Paradeebo: Just ask them "Aren't you the guys who deleted an entire datacenter because of an AI prompt got out of hand?"
12:55:08Para1) this is in accurate so they would need to correct on what actually happened 2) :)
12:55:54Para*inaccurate, wth
12:57:17Tenchihahahahha
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15:04:37dmlloyd60% unclear use cases :think
15:04:43dmlloyd:thinking:
15:04:54dmlloydgod dammit irccloud, have some intuitive completion for a change
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15:06:25dmlloydactive AI triggered by CI is a terrible idea though, great way to start hemorrhaging money
15:06:36dmlloydautomatic CI is already expensive enough
15:10:35Paraoh, I smell a new hype term
15:10:51ParaBegone CI/CD, welcome AI/AD. Now just have to figure out a good backronym from that.
15:13:01Drixtanwe are getting closer to AC/DC, I like it.
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15:33:25DoofusCanadensisAutomatic Compiling/Delivering Continuously
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15:55:04jsmoothHello all. I'm considering writing an alternative to an available software (which is written in C++ and JS I believe). The software is KDE-Connect (on phone) and GSConnect (Linux Desktop). WOuld Java be a good language to write the client (GSconnect alternative)?
15:55:24dreamrealDo you know Java? What does the application do?
15:55:49jsmoothI've used Java before, years ago. It would be a phone-to-pc syncing software.
15:56:03jsmoothFOr texts and images, notifications, that sort of thing.
15:56:28jsmoothGSConnect is buggy, I find, and the geek in me is telling me to try to write something better.
15:56:51dreamrealI mean, the hardware access layer is going to be the "hard part"
15:58:16jsmoothI'm not sure if I actually need to write that part since GSConnec uses KDE-connect being installed on the phone. I know kde-connect does a lot of dbus signaling.
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15:59:02dreamrealwell, if you can access the data, java should be fine
15:59:04jsmoothI don't have kde-connect installed on desktop, so I don't know if gsconnect is doing anything with hardware directly..but I do know the shell extension is written in js
15:59:38DoofusCanadensisthat's just allowing data to be shared between phone and desktop, yes?
15:59:42jsmoothYes.
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16:00:30jsmoothYou have to pair the devices from one or both ends (via same wifi network) in the gsconnect extension.
16:02:50DoofusCanadensisand, technically, kdeconnect on android is pretty close to java anyway
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23:05:53mawkcan I easily delete methods in a .class file?
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23:46:54zimAre the companies using Java but without the Annotation Magic, such as Spring Boot seems to require?
23:51:56Drixtanzim: I am not sure what you are asking here, do you mean - without annotation at all?
23:51:58r0bbyWhy wouldn't you want annotations? They eliminate boilerplate
23:52:29r0bbyand make things easier
23:52:52zimDrixtan, as little annotations as possible.
23:52:54Drixtanzim: like r0bby, annotations are an important part of all frameworks, quarkus included. It's not a Spring Boot problem per se, it's a clean way to declare your "configuration". Would you perfer go back with all the xml configuration files ?
23:53:18r0bbyzim: what's your aversion to annotations?
23:53:36zimit's too much hidden logic, hard to reason about, or debug
23:53:43Drixtanif I am not mistaken, you can still code without annotation, but prepare yourself to create a hibernate.cfg.xml and so on, if it's still supported.
23:54:07r0bbyzim: Not...really if you understand what they do?
23:54:30zimIn other languages annotations are not really prevalent, javascript, golang
23:54:31Drixtanzim: an abstraction, via inheritance, or annotation, or a config files, or... is still an abstraction. You have to learn the concept and what they are doing.
23:55:08Drixtangolang, you will use functions, like fiber, you will use app.Get("/", whatever) instead of @GET("/")
23:55:16DrixtanI don't see the difference really
23:55:27r0bbyzim: Then go use those languages...I feel like you're just fighting the languages
23:55:45r0bbyAnnotations are pretty easy for me to understand
23:56:00zimI'm here asking if there are companies out there that use java, but do not use Spring or other Java annotation heavy frameworks.
23:56:05Drixtanno.
23:56:35r0bbyzim: Learn how those annotations work and they're pretty easy to debug.
23:57:41r0bbyDon't code like language X in language Y. Learn idiomatic ways of doing things
23:58:22zimWell, I've worked with Spring Boot for a year. The framework is layers of layers of abstractions and indirections, it felt more like configuring rather than really programming.
23:59:05r0bbyzim: welcome to Spring in general.
23:59:58zimOnce I tried to find out where a header was set in the framework and to change it, took me way too long, had to dig into the horrible spring source code, because the docs weren't enough.