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Thursday, June 25, 2026

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11:39:42Maxdamantus08:26:48 < jreicher> Oh, come on. Nobody says "empty distance", do they?
11:40:27MaxdamantusA distance is the same sort of thing as a size. size, length, distance are all measurements.
11:40:40Maxdamantusdistance is slightly different in that it has a unit.
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11:49:09jreicherMaxdamantus: exactly. I'm fairly sure nobody says "empty" for any of them.
11:49:13jreicherI think that's actually wrong.
11:49:32fizzieString implements CharSequence, so while it's not a _collection_, it's clearly a _sequence_, and those can definitely be empty.
11:49:56jreicherYes, that's the interpretation I was referring to. But you still need to "do" that interpretation, and confused people wouldn't, or wouldn't know they are.
11:50:01Maxdamantusthe size isn't empty. the string is.
11:50:07jreicherNo, it's not
11:50:13jreicherIt's just a string
11:50:32dreamrealfizzie++
11:50:32nevetfizzie now has karma of 2.
11:50:34fizzieAnyway, I wouldn't think you can dislodge "empty string" from the standard terminology at this point, it's very widespread.
11:50:36jreicher"" and "blah" are both strings. They have different lengths, and are composed of different characters, but otherwise have the same "status"
11:50:40Maxdamantusan empty string, because its size is zero.
11:50:46dreamrealand "blah" contains ""
11:51:37jreicherMaxdamantus: so the number 0 is an "empty number"?
11:51:54Maxdamantusjreicher: no.
11:52:03jreicherExactly. The concept of "empty" doesn't apply.
11:52:13Maxdamantusjreicher: it's a number that is used to denote emptiness.
11:52:23Maxdamantusit itself is not empty, that's what I'm saying.\
11:52:34jreicherOh hell no. It's just a number. It doesn't denote anything.
11:52:36fizzieI feel like by that argument you couldn't say "empty set" either. Set.of() and Set.of('b', 'l', 'a', 'h') are both sets. They have different elements, but otherwise have the same "status". Why can you call the former an empty set then, but you can't call "" an empty string?
11:52:50jreicherfizzie: a set is most definitely a collection. Totally different kind of object
11:52:52dreamrealpretty soon you nerds are going to start talking ontologies and meanings and I'mm have to shut you down before a D&D game breaks out
11:52:53Maxdamantusthat's why you don't say that a size or a distance is empty.
11:53:04jreicherExactly
11:53:15jreicherAnd it similarly is odd to say that a string is empty
11:53:30dreamrealwhich one of you is the halfling/toad hybrid paladin?
11:54:02jreicherI don't care, as long as I can have the flamethrower.
11:54:41dreamrealNO FLAMETHROWERS IN THIS GAME. It's a house rule. However, there are steampunk molotov cocktails.
11:55:25jreicherFart gun?
11:56:09dreamrealI mean, how can there not be one
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