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Wednesday, July 15, 2026

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02:33:39NeXeNthat looks nice. i was going to contribute an article some time back but uh ...i dunno why i did not
02:35:44dreamrealtime be time, mon
02:36:02dreamrealnow upvote it on HN you jerkface chumbucket
02:36:03dreamrealor else
02:38:22NeXeNwhat is hn?
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02:38:52NeXeNi have social media syldexia, so i don't know exactly what the different between fb, ig, and hn is
02:50:19dreamrealhttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48906199
02:50:19nevetAndi Roberts and "Communication Patterns Matter" | Hacker News
02:50:20javabotdreamreal's title: "Andi Roberts and "Communication Patterns Matter" | Hacker News"
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10:11:43APicCelebrate Confuflux! Hail Eris! 😇
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11:39:47jreicherDiscordian holiday
11:39:57jreicherJuly 15
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11:42:01dex3rdWhat is a class {} ?
11:42:26dreamrealdex3rd: in java? Normally a collection of shared behavior and state
11:42:49dreamrealbut it's all optional: class Foo {} // totally legit but probably useless
11:43:01dreamrealdex3rd: how come?
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11:46:22jreicherdex3rd: https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/concepts/class.html
11:46:23javabotjreicher's title: "What Is a Class? (The Java™ Tutorials > Learning the Java Language > Object-Oriented Programming Concepts)"
11:46:23nevetWhat Is a Class? (The Java™ Tutorials > Learning the Java Language > Object-Oriented Programming Concepts)
11:48:38dex3rdhttps://www.geeksforgeeks.org/java/classes-objects-java/
11:48:46dex3rddoes this explain it if I read it thouroughly
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11:49:10dreamrealI mean, sure, if it fits what you need and how you need to learn it
11:49:18dreamrealit's a really long version of what I said. Again, why?
11:49:21dex3rddreamreal: I'm just screwing around with java because someone is learning it right now and I told him I'mma learn it as well I have 1h to learn everything about java
11:49:27ernimriluh, you can not have a dog named "Tommy"! :-)
11:49:57dex3rddreamreal: What do you mean if it fits what I need. I got no clue. The answer is yes or no. I just want to know what a class {} is
11:50:10jreicherdex3rd: no, nothing that has been said or linked to here will completely explain the concept of a class. It's very dififcult and involved, and these things are very small intros at best.
11:50:22dreamrealdex3rd: I'm going to say no, then, because while you can learn enough Java to use it in an hour, you'd have to have gone in with enough programming skill to not have to need the explanation
11:50:48dex3rdOk
11:50:59dreamreallike, I knew enough C++ that for me Java was "oh, it expresses this concept this way, it has a GC, okay, cool" - it was a mapping of concepts and features, not "I gotta learn something new"
11:51:07dex3rdI'm reading this as well https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/concepts/class.html
11:51:08javabotdex3rd's title: "What Is a Class? (The Java™ Tutorials > Learning the Java Language > Object-Oriented Programming Concepts)"
11:51:08nevetWhat Is a Class? (The Java™ Tutorials > Learning the Java Language > Object-Oriented Programming Concepts)
11:51:13dex3rdbtw java is a trash language right?
11:51:17dex3rdbut we still learn it
11:51:21dreamrealno, java's great
11:51:26jreicherJava is an excellent language.
11:51:38dreamrealit gets called a trash language by hipsters who think they're too cool to get shit done
11:51:57ernimrilbut, if it is not thrash why does it have a garbage collector? :-)
11:52:03dreamrealthe same people say cobol is useless
11:52:23jreicherdex3rd: But you haven't said what you're trying to do with Java. It's also not a tiny language, and you will get lost in irrelevant details without a goal. You also won't have good quality questions to ask here without an activity you're undertaking.
11:52:29ernimrildex3rd, do you think that java would be one of the most used languages if it was complete thrash?
11:52:54dreamrealtrash, not thrash, ernimril
11:53:03dex3rdjreicher: My goal is to know java
11:53:04dreamreala thrash language uses a lot of guitars and is very busy
11:53:07jreicherdex3rd: that's not a goal
11:53:19dex3rdMy goal is to understand class
11:53:26ernimrildex3rd, now there are places where java shines and there are places where other languages shine, pick one that is good for what you want to do
11:53:27dreamrealdex3rd: for what purpose? I mean, I like to read books so I can say I've read them, but I'm actually after learning and exposure
11:53:27dex3rdthen next to understand system.out....
11:53:38dreamrealdex3rd: yeah, the answer is definitely no
11:53:48dex3rdso I can improve my hello world program that I copy pasted
11:53:51dreamrealyou're not using a knowledge acquisition process that has a measurable yield
11:53:56dreamrealsorry
11:53:59dex3rdOk sorry I'm noob
11:54:03jreicherdex3rd: are you trying to write a program?
11:54:18dreamrealnothing wrong with being a noob, there's a lot wrong with not having any intentionality about what you do
11:54:26dreamrealand that goes way beyond programming
11:54:38dex3rdI'm trying to learn java because I'm curious and I typed hello world in java I copy pasted it. And got it to work. Now I don't understand parts of the Code
11:54:56dex3rdand my goal is to understand each part so I can improve the hello world. I want to print a = 5;
11:54:57dreamrealwell, that's a different process: why not say that?
11:55:07jreicherWhy are you curious about Java, specifically? There are other much better languages to be curious abotu.
11:55:12dreamrealPrograms are not THEIR PARTS. They're made of parts.
11:55:20dex3rdIdk I was on a discord call saw someone doign it
11:55:24dreamrealJust like you wouldn't understand a human by understanding toenails.
11:55:26dex3rdI just want to read java Code
11:55:34jreicherWhy?
11:55:39dex3rdidk
11:55:41dreamrealdex3rd: sure. So we're HERE: why not ask questions about what you're missing?
11:55:46jreicherWhat software are you looking at that's written in Java?
11:55:57dex3rdI've asked already thanks for the help I'm learning what a class thank you
11:56:12jreicherdex3rd: is this your first programming language?
11:56:15dex3rdno
11:56:22jreicherWhat do you already no?
11:56:24jreicherKnow
11:56:28dex3rdidk a lot
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11:56:37jreicherdex3rd: just name a few
11:56:39dreamrealhow old are you?
11:56:42dex3rd25
11:56:52dreamrealdex3rd: okay, well, act like it
11:56:53dex3rdjreicher: Idk I'm new but not new
11:57:06dex3rddreamreal: I'm sorry I'm kinda fked up in the head
11:57:10dreamrealgive us SOME EXAMPLES, please, because we tend to know a lot of languages too and can find analogs
11:57:12jreicherWhich languages have you already had exposure to? That will give me an easy way to point you to parallel concepts in Java
11:57:13dreamrealwell, get over it
11:57:50dreamrealif you're stoned or drunk, hey, whatever, you do you, but don't make things hard for the people who're trying to help you, that's a great way to get people to stop trying to help you
11:57:54dex3rdwell I'm 1.5y into arch linux I was exposed to bash c lua a lot of tools configs.... other systems nvim emacs env lisp elisp. python. AHK on windows.
11:58:06dreamrealyou only get so much gratis free will, after a while you just end up looking like an ass
11:58:07dex3rdI think this is what I know that might be relevent
11:58:33dreamrealwell, python has classes; C has structs with function pointers; java classes are roughly analogous to those
11:58:57dex3rdI never used a class in python I used structs in C
11:59:07dreamrealdid you use function pointers in C
11:59:13dex3rdy
11:59:34jreicherdex3rd: https://www.lua.org/pil/16.1.html
11:59:34dex3rdso class in python is a way to define objects
11:59:35nevetProgramming in Lua : 16.1
11:59:35javabotjreicher's title: "Programming in Lua : 16.1"
12:00:11dreamrealdex3rd: and n java, a class is the basic building block for an object.
12:00:11jreicherdex3rd: A class in Java is similar. When you create an object you have to supply a class. But it's also used by the type system in various ways.
12:00:38dex3rdjreicher: How in the world do they have classes in lua? isn't lua all about tables?
12:00:45jreicherdex3rd: In your list of languages I don't think you have anything strongly typed, so I think that might be the new thing for you.
12:01:02dex3rdjreicher: I should have learned C++
12:01:03jreicherdex3rd: it's a bit weird. I'm not going to defend it. I was just trying to give you something you might have seen already.
12:01:13dreamreal... someone doesn't know mumps :D
12:01:24dex3rdIt's fine thank you. I'll go read the links you gave me expect the lua
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12:39:52dex3rdok I get what a class is it's a blueprint. and object is just running that blueprint to spawn entities from the class
12:40:24dex3rda higher order abstract struct
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12:41:29jreicherdex3rd: except for the type system stuff
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16:15:35dreamrealhttps://bytecode.news/posts/2026/07/primate-run-who-owns-the-seams <-- primate is a "js framework" but the essay here actually has a lot of really good observations that are platform-neutral, and it's actually written VERY well
16:15:36javabotdreamreal's title: "Primate.Run: Who Owns the Seams? | bytecode.news"
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