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Thursday, October 15, 2026 (America/New_York)

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09:27:04cheeser~wb
09:27:05javabotThank you, cheeser.
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09:27:59dreamrealooo any changes?
09:28:05dreamrealI'm fixing search in nevet now :D
09:28:10dreamrealdamn stemming was unexpected
09:28:45dreamreal(I was passing through sanitized queries to postgres, and it stemmed when it should have but when I wasn't expecting it)
09:29:53cheesernah. just VPS maintenance requiring a reboot.
09:30:19cheeseri have a shit ton of changes on a branch that I need to merge. it's mostly UI/quarkus related but various lib upgrades here and there.
09:30:42dreamreal*nod* Are you still on the same VPS provider?
09:30:59cheeseronce i'm done with this morphia work, i'm going to go over the bot with claude and get some drastic clean up done. too many experiments, some unfinished, still lingering.
09:31:07cheeseryeah. same one.
09:31:43dreamreal*nod* I moved to a new provider and I'm on a dedicated server - the VPS we were using (I was on the same service javabot's on) overallocates like MAD, although that might depend on region
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09:32:16dreamreallike, I was seeing 27 minute build times drop to 28s on the dedicated server: I expected SOME of that but not that much
09:32:41dreamreala 60x loss of performance is ... pretty severe, IMO
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09:42:10dreamrealIt also cleared up a shedload of *mysql* errors - like, mysql was struggling on the server even though it had *resource* headroom, thanks to overallocation.
09:42:20dreamrealVery inexpensive service and worth every penny. :/
09:42:26cheeserwell, it *is* mysql...
09:43:01dreamrealWell, mysql should be able to handle five wordpress instances on relatively low-traffic sites.
09:43:35dreamrealThe overallocation was just too much, and I couldn't use it to build at all, even runtime... like, the early versions of nevet took five or six minutes to start
09:44:48dreamrealThat probably helped prevent litharge from wantiung to ban it due to join spam, but...
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11:03:00* CodeGeek!~codegeek@about/java/CodeGeek changed the topic to: Welcome! || Read Channel Rules at https://javachannel.org/ before participating. || Paste limit is two lines; ~pastebin lists options. || No applets, please. || Minecraft, Android, and Javascript all have their own channel. || You are being logged.
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11:10:34dreamrealsorry, nevet was getting some inferred property updates
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11:17:11ChronosThe lobste.rs website recently moved to SQLite and was able to cut their VPS requirements in more than half.
11:17:36dreamrealWhat the heck were they using before
11:17:47dreamrealand for WHAT
11:17:58ChronosI think it was either MariaDB or PostgreSQL, but I forget the details.
11:18:11dreamrealAnd they ... what
11:18:29dreamrealthat's crazy. What are they running the site on? That sounds like really bad design or really bad provisioning
11:18:57Chronoshttps://lobste.rs/s/oz7ebk/lobste_rs_migrates_from_mariadb_sqlite
11:18:57nevetlobste.rs migrates from MariaDB to SQLite
11:18:58javabotChronos's title: "lobste.rs migrates from MariaDB to SQLite | Lobsters"
11:19:51ChronosOops, that article is outdated. They had to revert after their first attempt, but later, they did successfully make the move. They have articles discussing all the details, including their VPS requirements.
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11:20:15* dreamreal boggles
11:20:40dreamrealthis mostly makes me think whoever designed lobste.rs may have done a good thing in design but their awareness of actual architecture done got broke
11:21:11ChronosWell, the website uses Ruby, so I'd guess that hurts pretty bad, performance-wise, heh.
11:21:25dreamrealmy point stands
11:21:56Chronosdreamreal: My _guess_ is that it was originally designed using "best practices," which means it was probably extremely overly-complex, etc.
11:22:19ChronosBut that's just a guess. Modern technical people _do_ seem to love their _ridiculously_ overly complex solutions these days.
11:22:27dreamrealnevet would *die* on sqlite and badly
11:22:41Chronosdreamreal: What does nevet use? And why would it die on sqlite?
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11:22:54dreamrealpostgres, and it's an orchestration engine
11:23:00dreamrealso lots of threaded access
11:23:22dreamreal(plus it uses postgres for some specific features: sqlite is slowly getting some of them but not others)
11:23:46dreamrealI could replace db search, I think, but the multithreaded db access is still a deathknell
11:24:29ChronosI think, though I'm not sure, lobste.rs is read-mostly and write-rarely.
11:24:59ChronosWhere "write-rarely" is quite subjective, of course, heh. But I feel like I remember them saying something like that it does 3 writes per second on average?
11:25:06ChronosDon't trust my memory. I'm old. ;)
11:25:36dreamrealI mean, that's a good situation for sqlite, sure
11:26:46dreamrealbut it's still gross, and seeing a massive jump in provisioning capability by GOING TO SQLITE says horrible things about your ability to database
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11:28:55ChronosI believe it :)
11:29:13dreamrealeven with ruby you shoudln't see that kind of delta
11:30:42ChronosBuilding any substantial project on Ruby makes me question the technical people behind it, heh
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12:02:33dreamrealHey, ruby is great for projects that look like they are ruby-shaped. It's just that not as many projects are ruby-shaped as people want to think.
12:03:08ParaI miss the *-on-Rails era.
12:03:20ParaNow we're just mostly off the rails.
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12:36:46whaleythis is the second time I've seen sqllite referenced for something that's bearing some non-trivial load. It's like the dead rising from the grave. Human Sacrifice! Dogs and Cats living together! Mass Hysteria!
12:37:51whaleynext you are going to tell me it's ok to use Redis directly as a persistent data store
12:50:23dreamrealI can't see myself doing that at all.
12:51:24Para"I made this really neat programmable cache called Redis!" "Cool, I'm going to cluster it and store unicode data into it as well."
12:53:28julemand101Para: Time to make a FUSE driver on Linux so we can mount our new Redis storage and run our servers from it
12:54:01Parajulemand101: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTPBGZcTRqo
12:54:02nevetYouTube: I Wrote A Filesystem to Beat Factorio. | DocJade
12:54:35dreamreal... can we run DOOM in redis
12:54:47julemand101Para: Can also recommend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcJSW7Rprio
12:54:47nevetYouTube: Harder Drive: Hard drives we didn't want or need | suckerpinch
12:55:23Para(spoiler: DocJade learned Rust and made a custom FUSE filesystem to run Factorio from diskettes)
12:55:44ParaWhat even are the the DOOM primitives.
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15:22:03* Chronos throws any article with the word "Rust" in it in the bit bucket.
15:22:51ParaOh but it's Factorio so it's way way way better.
15:22:57ParaThe factory must grow.
15:33:29Tenchiare we talking about Rust the video game or Rust the programming language ?
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15:34:31ParaThe better Rust. Which is the programming language.
15:35:10whaleythe lifetime of this conversation needs to go out of scope
15:54:25dreamrealThat's unsafe.
15:58:26sbalmosdon't go into a panic. it's just a trait of his personality
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