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01:48:56blackfire75xhello
01:49:11blackfire75xis this official java channel
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02:27:08iluxbliminse, this is the official livera java channel with 200 java user, you are welcome to ask your qustion
02:27:19iluxsorry
02:27:40iluxoh he is away!
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05:44:02jreicherHear that everyone? We're official.
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06:28:04dreamrealHah.
06:28:21dreamrealThere is no official java channel. Oracle wouldn't allow it. It's why on OPN we were ##java.
06:29:32Inlinewth, why should java be an oracle thing, it's a language and languages have users.....
06:29:48Inlineotherwise you deny the whole userbase
06:29:50dreamrealbecause java is owned by oracle
06:29:59dreamrealthat's why
06:30:28dreamrealalso why java ee turned into jakarta ee, etc
06:31:02dreamrealsun open sourced java and sort of made it harder for oracle to shackle java, but oracle still owns it through their purchase of sun
06:31:12dreamrealpeople will NEVER appreciate Sun enough, I think
06:31:23dreamrealand eclipse should be ashamed about it
06:34:16Inlinejakarta is the opensource one yah ?
06:34:34dreamrealno
06:34:58Inlineah
06:35:05dreamrealjakarta is the rebranded one because oracle felt the java brand was becoming diluted (this is what *I* think, I'm not at oracle so I don't have an insider's knowledge)
06:35:41Inlinediluted.... kotlin,.... wth man
06:35:51dreamrealwhat does kotlin have to do with this?
06:36:25Inlineyes, at this point java is a tree rather.... with many branches
06:37:02dreamrealand always has been. We saw the same thing with pizza, back around 1.1
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07:08:31dreamrealhttps://bytecode.news/posts/2026/10/the-zig-project-is-going-nowhere
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08:05:54ParaI, as official Java man, hereby declare...
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08:09:16dreamrealnot my writing, FWIW
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23:21:57ParaI've been poking at Jetbrains Air plugin for a bit and I just have to say, wtf Jetbrains. How can their AI tooling story get stupider by the release. It's not that it's wrong, but they seem to be missing the mark all the time, especially considering corporate/enterprise customers which I'd imagine should be their largest user bases.
23:22:34Para1) using enterprise licenses like GitHub Copilot subscription seems to be some kind of config voodoo; the GUI buttons use some free version and nothing says what's the right way to set things up
23:23:14Para2) using local/self-hosted LLMs (another major corporate/enterprise requirement) seems to be missing entirely
23:24:08ParaFor the second I have a hunch that it's somehow meant to be chained by *takes a deep breath* installing Air plugin, configuring Junie subscription, installing Junie CLI, configuring Junie with e.g. litellm config and then walking the dog backwards through the chain to get the Air prompt to actually use it.
23:24:36ParaThe fallback mode also seems to be "lol we don't know lets just pipe things to Free subscriptions" which is a very strict no on the enterprise level.
23:25:23ParaI might be 100% wrong because all this is 0% documented, which is also a problem in itself.
23:46:14ParaOn the positive, Air prompt is better than AI Assistant (probably due to being ACP based and up-to-date with how protocols work), so it's not all bad, just getting there is a hurdle.
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