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Friday, February 13, 2026
- dreamrealIt's just a lot of data to manage for little worthwhile value: each user has a provenance, as does a channel, and you COULD put metadata about timezone there if you didn't want the default
- dreamrealbut that's not the purpose of nevet, so it seems like a lot
- bluedreamreal: great men do not make excuses!
- blueanyway, it's probably not a good idea for nevet to store tzs, I agree. but I don't know that !today is very useful unless you have a timezone reference
- blueor at least, add the timezone
- dreamrealthat's because you're looking at it as a tool *for users* :D
- dreamrealwith that said, though... I dunno, the bot does keep track of identity, there's a potential for an "!about me" that would allow users to do stuff like that
- bluedreamreal: I would remove !today and !tomorrow, tbh. I'm not sure it's useful functionality in this form. A different functionality that is I think useful is time lookup using a zone
- bluetime Tokyo
- dreamrealWell, the edge was that I needed a "ping!" command, but I wanted it to have SOME use and options, and given that Java has solar calendars but not a Jewish solar calendar, I could "do both"
- dreamrealtomorrow is mostly a joke and an extension- you mentioned it, and it implied a fix to how "today" worked, so I put it in. :D
- dreamrealsorry, lunar
- dreamrealsick this week, not at my best
- bluemakes sense
- bluedreamreal: get well soon m8!
- dreamrealI need to finish the blog endpoints, make a UI as a baseline, and then work on stateful operations
- dreamreallike, I'd like to have a way to play 21 matches with the bot
- bluewhat on God's green earth is 21 matches?
- dreamrealSimple takeaway game. Rules: starts with 21 matches. The goal is to make the other player draw the "last match." The way it's played: turns, each player can take 1 to 4 matches.
- dreamrealSo... 21 matches. Your turn. How many matches are you taking?
- blue1
- dreamrealI take 3. 17 matches left. Your turn.
- blue1
- dreamrealI take 3 again. 13 matches left. Your turn.
- blue1
- dreamrealI take 3 again. 9 matches left. Your turn.
- blue1
- dreamrealI take 3 again. 5 matches left. Your turn.
- blue4
- dreamrealHah! I wrote the rules wrong. You'd have won. Thank you! - it's actually 1-3 matches.
- blueoh
- bluewell in that you'd have won
- dreamrealConcedo. I was playing badly with the rules I wrote.
- dreamrealBut yeah, the answer is for the second player to always run 4-other turn
- bluewell basically I wanted to leave you with 5
- dreamrealso if you take 1, I take 3, and so forth.
- blueya
- dreamrealYeah, I wrote the rules wrong, it's been a while. But it's a game I used to teach my kids programming and strategy.
- dreamrealthe way to win is very simple, so you can focus on how the programming works
- blueif it'd been 3, I'd have need to leave you with 4 each tur
- bluen
- blueneeded*
- dreamrealyeah, but with 1-3 matches from each player, player #2 will ALWAYS win unless they make a mistake
- blueya
- blueso nevet is to be programmed to always win, if it doesn't start, yes?
- dreamrealbut for the bot, that means establishing context for each provenance, and state preservation on that level would be useful
- dreamrealyeah, the "game" is in the programming, not the playing :D
- blueya
- dreamreal(a provenance is a conversation stream, so irc://libera/blue is YOUR provenance in the bot)
- dreamrealthis channel is irc://libera/#primate
- dreamreal(it's not a fully resolvable URL, the scheme is internal)
- dreamrealit's ingress+egress point (so "irc" as the service that is involved), authority (none for this), identifer (network is called 'libera' internally) and then the addressee
- bluemakes sense. I would use the ircname or so though?
- blueor account name
- dreamrealyeah, it actually does use the account name
- bluenice
- dreamrealso it can rely on libera SASL for authentication
- bluelibera is always not fully qualified, you might consider
- bluebetter irc.libera.chat or so
- dreamrealnon-authenticated accounts don't get authentication, you can't just manage to log in on libera and get an authority in the bot
- blues/always/also/
- dreamreal'libera' there is the internal name for irc.libera.chat
- dreamreallike I said, they're not externalizable urls
- blueah ok but then you need a mapping table
- dreamrealit has one
- blueyou can always just ues the cannonical name of the current network
- dreamrealit needs one because the console command is something like 'irc join libera #primate'
- bluethen you don't need a mapping table
- blues/always/also/
- bluefor discord you'd use the server id
- dreamrealbut then I DO need consistent schemes, and not every ingress/egress uses the same schemata
- dreamrealdiscord uses guild ids, not server ids
- blueirc://libera.chat.irc/blue is consistent
- dreamrealoh, did I tell you I got slack working?
- bluediscord://SOME_GUILD_ID/SOME_USER_ID is also consistent
- blueyou didn't
- bluethat'd be slack:// ?
- dreamrealWell now I have
- dreamrealyeah
- dreamrealI find I DESPISE slack as a programmable environment: establishing the connection is *brutal*
- blueslack is generally a dumpster fire
- dreamrealbut it's working: it's a total drag to set up, but it works. Once you've set it up, it's workable and it operates just like it does here and on discord
- blueq: can nevet now do bridging between irc, discord & slack?
- dreamrealI want to get mattermost and matrix up, too, but the blog is the next deliverable, I need to get a front end working. I have the RSS feeds working, although I haven't fully tested them out.
- dreamrealyeah, just like the earlier rev
- blueif so, I'd like to ask you to bring it into the primate server, and I'd create an irc channel for it? would that make sense?
- blueor maybe we'd sync the general channel simply
- dreamrealsee pm
- blueoki
- blueok, how do we link a discord channel to this?
- dreamrealso it depends on what you mean by "link"
- bluebasically, the idea is that any message here appears on discord as `(irc:USER) MESSAGE`, and vice versa
- dreamrealooof, crosspollination
- dreamrealum
- dreamrealso there's no facility for that... yet
- bluegood
- bluebut it'd be cool
- dreamrealIt's doable: it'd be an operation that watched for specific provenance on input (discord://guild/channel) and routed to a specific OTHER provance on egress (irc://libera/#primate)
- blueI can then create a channel #irc on discord, and the two places are synced
- blueYES
- dreamrealand vice versa, I suppose
- blueI can also then inform in the topic of that discord channel, that messages are syned to irc.libera.chat#primate, and vice versa in this topic
- dreamrealyeah
- dreamrealyour github nick is still earth-based, yeah?
- blueyes
- dreamrealsee pm again, confirmation
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- * blue!~blue@user/blue changed the topic to: https://primate.run
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- * blue!~blue@user/blue changed the topic to: https://primate.run
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- * blue!~blue@user/blue changed the topic to: https://primate.run
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- * blue!~blue@user/blue changed the topic to: https://primate.run
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- * blue!~blue@user/blue changed the topic to: https://primate.run
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- * blue!~blue@user/blue changed the topic to: https://primate.run
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- * blue!~blue@user/blue changed the topic to: https://primate.run
- dreamrealdefine blue
- nevetblue (noun): The colour of the clear sky or the deep sea, between green and violet in the visible spectrum, and one of the primary additive colours for transmitted light; the colour obtained by subtracting red and green from white light using magenta and cyan filters; or any colour resembling this.
- dreamreal:D
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- * blue!~blue@user/blue changed the topic to: https://primate.run
- dreamrealbridge provenance
- nevetirc://libera/%23primate
- bot<josephbottinger@discord> ello!
- bot<josephbottinger@discord> hello again!
- dreamrealdid this work?
- dreamrealooo it did work!
- dreamrealdefine source
- nevetdefine source: source (noun): The person, place or thing from which something (information, goods, etc.) comes or is acquired.
- bot<josephbottinger@discord> <@857685522533056522> yo!
- bot<blue@discord> wow!
- bot<josephbottinger@discord> fixing some QOL stuff now
- bot<blue@discord> can you link it with a specific channel here?
- bot<josephbottinger@discord> tell irc://libera/dreamreal you're a hosehead
- botMessage delivered to dreamreal
- bot<josephbottinger@discord> IT WORKED!
- bot<blue@discord> wow
- bot<josephbottinger@discord> i got a privmsg!
- bot<blue@discord> wow
- bot<blue@discord> ok, can we bridge him over the <#1471981297487577303> channel?
- bot<josephbottinger@discord> let me test the QOL first
- bluek
- * blue!~blue@user/blue changed the topic to: https://primate.run
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- bot<dreamreal> hello
- bot<discord://1256590312177012806/%23nevet-test/josephbottinger> it works still!
- bot<discord://1256590312177012806/%23nevet-test/josephbottinger> okay, what do you want the connection to be?
- dreamreali don't know if tell can figure out usernames on discord, there're some leaky bits
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- * blue!~blue@user/blue changed the topic to: https://primate.run
- bot<discord://1256590312177012806/#irc/josephbottinger> testing
- dreamrealtesting to send to discord
- dreamrealokay, connectivity working
- bot<discord://1256590312177012806/#irc/blue> yeah, only this channel
- bot<discord://1256590312177012806/#irc/josephbottinger> It only allows one participation at a time: this channel can be part of NO OTHER mirroring
- bot<discord://1256590312177012806/#irc/josephbottinger> you can't multiplex. A given provenance can be part of one and ONLY ONE mirroring set.
- * blue!~blue@user/blue changed the topic to: https://primate.run | this channel is mirrored to the Primate discord, channel #irc
- bot<discord://1256590312177012806/#irc/josephbottinger> The mirroring can be one way or two way, however you want it, but it's exclusive
- bot<discord://1256590312177012806/#irc/josephbottinger> otherwise it's really easy to get super-abusive and overwhelm the event stream
- bluebtw, can you replace 1256590312177012806 with something else? or just drop it? it's irrelevant
- bluedreamreal: ^
- dreamrealIt's the channel name on discord. I'd LOVE to. Um... I'm not sure how yet. File an issue, please?
- dreamrealI did the same thing with usernames, so it should be doable
- bluebasically the only info that's relevant is that the message comes from an IRC user, and WHICH user. the rest is irrelevant
- bluealright
- dreamrealand the thing is: it shows the provenance of the external source. Like, you can see exactly what the full source is, internally: I can send a message to discord://1238716283761/%23irc and it'll get there
- dreamrealbut yeah, it's kinda ugly. Not sure yet what the level of granularity needs to be.
- dreamrealthe format is: service, authority (usually empty), id, source
- dreamrealso discord: empty authority, guild number, channel
- dreamrealI need to figure out how to get guild NAME out of that, I guess
- dreamrealall right, I'm off for a bit
- bot<discord://1256590312177012806/#irc/VExcess> what are people using to irc chat these days? I used to use HexChat because it came preinstalled on Linux Mint. But now Mint doesn't come with HexChat anymore and there's no alternative.
- bot<discord://1256590312177012806/#irc/VExcess> this is super cool. I've never seen a irc mirrored to discord. I've only used irc like a total of 3 times though.
- bot<discord://1256590312177012806/#irc/blue> irc is mostly dead
- bot<discord://1256590312177012806/#irc/blue> but there are some primate users there who are not here, and vice versa. bridging is nice 🙂