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Saturday, February 14, 2026

  1. * nevet joined #primate
  2. * blue!~blue@user/blue changed the topic to: https://primate.run | this channel is mirrored to the Primate discord, channel #irc
  3. bot<discord:josephbottinger> testing
  4. dreamrealtesting
  5. bot<discord:josephbottinger> Okay, here's a really long bit of text on discord. Discord and slack and other things have really long buffers, compared to IRC; this is suboptimal for IRC because IRC channels can have flood protection, and we don't necessarily want to trigger the servers clamping down on a connection just because some goober writes a lot of text, you know? And that's made worse when you could have a bot as a member of a LOT of discord channels - and imagine if someone uses a set of mirrors, all connected to a set of VERY verbose wankers, all writing TONS of text like mad. We're already kinda pushing throughput on a given IRC client, and we may need to throttle at some point ANYWAY, but allowing GIANT LONG HONKING LINES to be mirrored from slack AND discord just seems like we're ASKING for flood limitations.
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  7. * blue!~blue@user/blue changed the topic to: https://primate.run | this channel is mirrored to the Primate discord, channel #irc
  8. bot<discord:josephbottinger> https://x.com/jtimsuggs/status/2022152823539216589
  9. bot<discord:josephbottinger> https://x.com/jtimsuggs/status/2022152823539216589
  10. bot<discord:josephbottinger> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNDWnMfDnuw
  11. skillbot04,01► 14,01YouTube :: Top 5 Hollywood DISASTERS of 2025
  12. botjosephbottinger mentioned url: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNDWnMfDnuw ("- YouTube")
  13. skillbot04,01► 14,01YouTube :: Top 5 Hollywood DISASTERS of 2025
  14. bot<discord:josephbottinger> okay, still broken
  15. * phaleth joined #primate
  16. phalethgraphs on left are a bit misaligned https://images4.imagebam.com/40/86/73/ME1ANBMI_o.png
  17. bot<discord:blue> true
  18. bot<discord:phaleth> just a small test ```c #include <stdio.h> int main(void) { printf("hello, world\n"); return 0; } ```
  19. * phaleth yawns
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  21. bot<discord:josephbottinger> test discord
  22. dreamrealtest from irc
  23. dreamrealokay, so we found some message types that fail, apparently.
  24. * dreamreal blinks
  25. blueya
  26. bot<discord:josephbottinger> jreicher: this is me typing in discord. I'm apparenly finding some mesages that didn't get translated; that's fine, I don't really "know" discord, so I'm a-learning.
  27. bot<discord:josephbottinger> But ... as you can see, discord content is being echoed across to IRC. Quick, ask a question in IRC!
  28. jreicherThat's the kind of thing I was wondering about, as I don't know these protocols/platforms/schemas either.
  29. jreicherWhere would you like me to ask a question?
  30. bot<discord:josephbottinger> In IRC, as you're not on the guild that's being mirrored
  31. bot<discord:josephbottinger> like right here, just ask
  32. bot<discord:josephbottinger> doesn't matter what it is, I'm going to answer from discord 🙂
  33. bot<discord:josephbottinger> ooo, emojis are coming across as unicode. Discoveries all around!
  34. jreicherWhat's your favourite BeeGees song?
  35. bot<discord:josephbottinger> It's OBVIOUSLY "more than a woman."
  36. dreamrealSee? two-way communication! Definitely some holes, I'm filing issues now, though.
  37. bot<discord:blue> this is like watching a kid getting his xmas gift
  38. dreamreal:D
  39. jreicherAre there any advantages to discord over IRC? (Serious question; I'm a bit overwhelmed by all the chat platforms around these days)
  40. dreamrealWell, you asked for it, you got it, and as I'm definitely a lot more aware of IRC than discord, there're holes. I also don't send IRC actions anywhere, and i need to trap those better.
  41. bluejreicher: it's easier to share code, send pictures, audio snippets, and there are audio/video calls. it's a modern chat platform, while irc is very... traditional
  42. bluethe nevet bridge allows this project to be present on both platforms, and at least allow some intermessaging
  43. dreamrealdiscord is alo INCREDIBLY noisy compared to irc
  44. dreamrealIt's definitely more modern: IRC is fire-and-forget, discord allows message deletes and edits, file attachments apart from DCC (which never really worked anyway...)
  45. jreicherIRC is already too noisy for me. I'm really hurting from the time I spend on it picking the wheat from the chaff, and I'm not sure I want more of that. (The wheat is often REALLY good though.)
  46. bot<discord:josephbottinger> Oh, I mean different kinds of noise: not only *busier* but, like, actually noisy since the discord app begs to send you system notifications all the time
  47. bot<discord:josephbottinger> It's surprising how often I've forgotten to FULLY deafen the dadgum app
  48. bluein terms of terribleness, from most terrible the most acceptable, it's definitely slack < discord < irc
  49. bot<discord:josephbottinger> oh, you sweet summer child
  50. bluebut irc can be really primitive. ircv3 is trying to fix that, but it's very slow
  51. bot<discord:josephbottinger> never experienced the joys of mattermost or zulip, I see
  52. bluenope, and don't intend to
  53. bot<discord:josephbottinger> $work uses mattermost
  54. bot<discord:josephbottinger> the MAIN advantage is that it's a really crappy slack BUT it's fully hosted on-prem
  55. bluemattermost sounds like something I'd like to avoid on principle of a dumb name
  56. bot<discord:josephbottinger> it's better than some names. "anus with elephantiasis" is a worse name, for example, but almost as descriptive.
  57. jreicherblue: are you saying irc is the most terrible or the most acceptable?
  58. bot<discord:josephbottinger> see, jreicher, I'm as funnyon discord as I am everywhere! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!
  59. bluejreicher: most acceptable
  60. bot<discord:josephbottinger> Hibernate uses zulip, and I'd use mattermost a year before zulip
  61. blueslack is definitely terrible
  62. bluetwo things that spring to mind: the ability to send both to a thread and a channel (why?), and the fact hitting the up arrow doesn't edit your last message
  63. bot<discord:josephbottinger> see, we're having a conversation across protocols and servers, this is kinda neat. It's also what matrix does, which is why I call this a terrible matrix clone. 😄
  64. bluedidn't libera turn off its matrix bridge because it didn't work?
  65. bot<discord:josephbottinger> I have no idea. I knew some people who ran their own and mein Gott was it annoying
  66. bot<discord:josephbottinger> that's part of why I thought nevet would be a good source for it - and why I made sure it doesn't multiplex channels
  67. blueya
  68. bot<discord:josephbottinger> damn it, twitter MIGHT require an API to get the content
  69. bot<discord:josephbottinger> they keep changing the way they present content, and that makes retrieval via url really hard
  70. jreicherWhat's the Truth Social api like? ;)
  71. dreamrealWho gives a shit
  72. dreamrealhttps://x.com/dev_maims/status/2022588131623501927
  73. dreamrealokay, skillbot doesn't do twitter either. Such joy.
  74. bluedreamreal: add it to nevet, then we can remove skillbot. we don't need a thousand bots
  75. dreamrealI'm not doing fediverse OR truth social integration: both platforms are so politically amplified that they're unuseful. Well, I assume truth social is that way.
  76. bluethe owner isn't even in the channel, so technically I should remove the bots anyway
  77. dreamrealblue: add which "it" to nevet?
  78. bluedreamreal: showing xeets
  79. blueooh, truth social api, lol
  80. dreamrealblue: I'm working on it. I may have to actually use their API. Wait, isn't there a twitter public feed mirror somewhere?
  81. bluethere is xcancel.com. though I'm not sure it has an API
  82. blueisn't the x api free though, dreamreal?
  83. bot<discord:josephbottinger> it's an API, though
  84. blueis that a problem? APIs are superior to scraping
  85. bot<discord:josephbottinger> they have a very limited twitter API, yes, traffic-limited, but I'd like to avoid API cutouts where possible
  86. blueright
  87. bot<discord:josephbottinger> I don't need to scrape, I found out what to do, because I ARE A GENUYS
  88. bluelol
  89. phalethin here twitter links are being posted very rarely, no clue about discord
  90. dreamrealthis isn't the only channel nevet watches, though
  91. phalethif discord allowed custom clients then it'd not be so terrible, on the irc side there are a lot of clients to choose from, as long as there is no discord client for a terminal, for the textual communication at least, then discord will always be a terrible UX
  92. phalethdreamreal: ok
  93. dreamrealphaleth: nevet is a generalized information stream. It's intended very much to be an octopus: the goal is eventually for it to notice "interesting content" and create pointers to it for admins, like "hey, that dope dreamreal pointed out THIS url, that seems newsworthy!" no matter where that dope dreamreal posted it
  94. phalethI can relate to that, I used to post links regularly in some of IRC channels, some people seriously thought I'm a bot
  95. dreamrealor maybe that dope dreamreal just says something like "hey, nevet, notice that thing someone just said" - it doesn't have to be automatic if automatic detection is expensive, especially for low-context mediums like IRC or discord, where "events" tend to be single lines of text
  96. phalethcalling yoursel a bot is a bit weird, kinda like calling yourself dope
  97. phalethyourself*
  98. dreamrealphaleth: I'm not calling myself a bot. Yet I obey proverbs 27:2 pretty firmly. :D
  99. dreamreal"Do not praise yourself; let praise come from the mouths of strangers."
  100. phalethwell, I kinda did
  101. phalethby that definition a bot can be very strange for sure
  102. dreamrealBesides, I'm fine with people going "man, that dreamreal is a moron" - lets me surprise 'em when I'm not!
  103. dreamrealdamn it, it looks like I'm going to HAVE To go to twitter's API. nitter.net exists, but I can't figure out how to use it as a bot; something in the negotiation is failing and it ends up returning no content.
  104. bot<discord:blue> Indeedo
  105. bot<discord:blue> We're all bots, aren't we
  106. phalethhmm, prolly won't happen on IRC to you these days unless you are in some kind of webshit or other hype kind of a channel, if there is still any such channel left
  107. dreamrealWhat won't happen on IRC these days?
  108. bot<discord:blue> True
  109. dreamrealYou guys use inspecific nouns ALL THE TIME, it drives me nuts
  110. phalethpeople calling you names
  111. dreamrealoh, eh, I dunno. People are people everywhere... and nevet isn't an IRC bot
  112. bot<discord:blue> Who is "you guys"?
  113. dreamrealblue: you and phaleth both have used indeterminate articles this morning :D
  114. bot<discord:blue> This is great btw
  115. dreamrealmorning MY time BTW
  116. bot<discord:blue> I'm on my phone and can read all the nonsense coming from irc
  117. bot<discord:blue> !today
  118. botToday is Saturday, February 14, 2026
  119. bot<discord:blue> It's Saturday, why are you even working
  120. dreamrealtoday hebrew
  121. nevetToday is Saturday, 27 Shevat, 5786 (Hebrew)
  122. dreamrealbecause there's stuff to do, of course
  123. bot<discord:blue> So in the last libera update, there was some nonsense about ircv3 supporting message tags
  124. dreamrealI really should translate discord's "someone is typing" into messages on IRC, that would be SO awesome!
  125. bot<discord:blue> This could be interesting in the context of this brigde
  126. bot<discord:blue> True, but it could get noisy really fast
  127. phaleththose ... is typing messages are most annoying
  128. bot<discord:blue> It's technically some sort of meta info
  129. dreamrealHmm, message tags is an idea a friend of mine and I were talking about back in 2000 or so, to provide threading in IRC.. but it'd have had to be manual, so nope. I wonder how well it'd be supported by simple clients like weechat.
  130. bot<discord:blue> Probably not at all
  131. bot<discord:blue> But it's in itcv3
  132. dreamrealokay, looks like twitter can go screw itself: there's a per-read cost
  133. dreamrealwith an investment up front. Mein Gott.
  134. dreamrealGood for Musk, bad for me. C'est la vie.
  135. bot<discord:blue> Just use xcancel.com
  136. bot<discord:blue> You're making this way harder than it needs be
  137. dreamrealxcancel uses a captcha
  138. bot<discord:blue> Since when
  139. dreamrealI just hit it
  140. dreamrealhttps://xcancel.com/dev_maims/status/2022588131623501927 first hit gave me a "verification" page looking for mouse transitions
  141. dreamrealor something
  142. dreamrealAs soon as I moved my mouse so I could read it, it verified and went through
  143. dreamrealyeah, okay. xcancel is a no-go too; it does a LOT of bot verification stuff.
  144. dreamrealokay, twitter urls are doneso for now. If anyone wants to pay for it, I'll develop it - it's not, like, DIFFICULT - but this is a vanity project for now. I'm already paying too much for it.
  145. dreamrealI understand why Twitter charges per read now, but daaaaaang
  146. phalethI thought tech people were already using bluesky or whatever one of those twitter clones is called
  147. dreamrealI refuse to use bluesky. It's not a security hole - it's a security supernova.
  148. dreamrealbluesky has a LITERAL firehose that's open for reads.
  149. dreamreal"publish to your private group" is supported by CLIENTS. Not the firehose.
  150. dreamrealExplain how you REALLY REALLY REALLY like gerbils inserted into your body through various orifices... and yes, everyone can see that if you're watching the firehose.
  151. dreamrealThere are no secrets. Literally.
  152. dreamrealActually, my job might explicitly require I not post on bluesky...
  153. bot<discord:blue> Bluesky is a wokefest
  154. dreamrealit's worse than the fediverse, if that can be imagined. From a *technical* perspective, not the social one. But socially it's pretty awful, too.
  155. dreamrealI don't care about "woke" per se but woke tends to be stupid and blind
  156. phalethsounds like old twitter to me
  157. dreamreal"I told my secrets on bluesky" is ... a complete lie, bluesky has no secrets and no way to keep anything secret at all
  158. bot<discord:blue> ^
  159. dreamrealand yes, I know, my contempt for bluesky might be showing
  160. bot<discord:blue> Ya
  161. dreamrealAnd no, I don't want nevet to be part of the fediverse either. It's a great way to hammer your VPS throughput limits.
  162. bot<discord:blue> fedicircus is just as awful as bluesky
  163. bluedreamreal: funny effect. because my nicks are same on both platforms, when I talk, I get pinged on irc. lol
  164. dreamreal:D That's what you get for having /notify on :D
  165. dreamrealhttps://github.com/jottinger/bytecode.news/issues/31 https://github.com/jottinger/bytecode.news/issues/30
  166. dreamreal(for those who can see the repo)
  167. dreamrealFor everyone else: fediverse ("won't do, but maybe?") and bluesky ("go kick rocks, bluesky, NO.")
  168. bot<discord:josephbottinger> _tests_
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  170. * blue!~blue@user/blue changed the topic to: https://primate.run | this channel is mirrored to the Primate discord, channel #irc
  171. bot<discord:josephbottinger> _blinks_
  172. jottinger* dreamreal wibbles
  173. jottingerhey, actions propagate now!
  174. blueyou should *probably* translate them to ** in irc
  175. blueI think irc clients also support _this_
  176. bluebut *this* is more commonly supported
  177. bluein fact, discord translated my previous 'this' to italic
  178. blueso the translation back would be to *
  179. bot<discord:blue> *test*
  180. blueyup
  181. jottingerthe problem is that discord doesn't actually do actions
  182. jottingerso it's faked
  183. bot<discord:blue> Fake it till you make it