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Saturday, April 4, 2026
- phalethhttps://primate.run/blog/typescript-monorepos-with-proby
- bluephaleth: yes!
- blueproby is not outclassing vitest / jest
- blueis now*
- phalethit's cool that node supports ts
- blueit's been so for a while with a flag, but they deflagged in 24 and 23 (backported)
- bluephaleth: if you don't mind, could you post the rcompat blog post to HN?
- phalethsome nice ideas about server side TS are also here https://github.com/elixir-volt/quickbeam/blob/master/README.md
- phalethI can try
- bluecool
- blueooh, zig
- bluephaleth: https://github.com/elixir-volt/quickbeam/tree/master/priv/c_src
- blueit uses quickjs :P
- blueI should known by the name...
- phalethyeah, take a look at the bottom of that readme how it handles npm packages
- blueshould have*
- blueoh cool
- bluemaybe we should add erlang/elixir support to primate's backend
- blueit would be somewhat the same as that
- phalethupvote https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47636948
- nevetTesting TS monorepos without a build step with rcompat and proby | Hacker News
- blueCool!
- phalethyeah, well, the thing about that experiment is that there are two runtimes needed to run the app
- phalethQJS might be small
- blueyup
- blueanyway, the genius thing about this new proby nonsense is that it reuses the customConditions in your tsconfig.json
- blueI'd been using those to do jump-to-live-source forever, otherwise you jump to the compiled js
- bluephaleth: the redeployment loop on primate website is insane
- bluearound 3s
- bluegit pull && npm run build && systemctl restart primate-web
- blueI have never seen anything like this in the wild
- blueobviously in real conditions you'd do ab it more, like pnpm install and potentially pnpm build for the dependents, but with a caching enabled, that'd be still 3s unless any package changed / dep updated
- phalethyeah, but that deployment is so hacky
- blueit's really straightforward. get the git repo, install deps, build necessary packages, build app, run
- blueif you got most of those on a hot path, a redeployment boils down to the build app step which is 2-3s
- blueso if I only change website content, redeployment is lightning fast
- blueif I change packages that apps/website depends on, it might be a bit longer
- bluebtw if we use bun to run, we could skip the package build step entirely
- bluebun can run ts from node_modules. it's only node that's retarded
- phalethyeah, but bun is leaking memory
- blueso yeah friggin' sucks
- bluebun should really stabilise
- blueinstead of putting more effort into nonsense optimisations
- phalethheh, building standalone bundle is fine and moving it to server where there is only the JS runtime is also a better idea
- blueoh yeah let's optimise Response(null) to be a million times faster
- blueyeah, and primate already supports that
- blueif the node devs weren't such idiots and agreed to run ts in node_modules, all of this wouldn't be even needed
- blueyou'd publish ts to npm, done
- blueI like it how the argumentation was "but you then don't know which ts version". that's not an argument, node strips types
- phalethbun's only goal was to win the benchmark that the guy on youtube keeps doing, and bun won that benchmark, usability is not what bun is concerned about
- bluethat friggin' sucks
- phalethv8 should support TS, makes no sense to strip types
- blueso I was thinking that the JS parser I'm writing for flog, it should just support TS natively
- blueso yeah, what you're saying for v8 essentially
- bluewhat we really need though is a new language, like valuescript
- bluethat if I just function foo(a: string): string, that nonsense is actually guaranteed in runtime instead of being stripped away
- blueif I just do*
- bluewhich is kinda funny, because javascript already maintains this information. it has a type system otherwise typeof wouldn't work in runtime
- bluephaleth: looking good for primate 0.37 today
- blueeaster primate :)
- bluenot quite the bunny you'd expect, but close enough
- phalethok, hopefully that release contains something usable for repopack
- blueyes, the db migrations, the appfacade#env
- bluethe revised modules are also a boon
- bluein short, all ofit
- phalethcool
- bluewelp, release is ready
- blueI'm gonna head out to the store and cut it when I'm back
- chovyhow many stars on gh are you guys up to now?
- chovyi would love for this to be successful and topple everyone else
- chovybut i didn't see that happening.
- dreamrealblue: just published a *different* thing on BCN - I'm holding the primate post for Monday. Today's post is about something that's a bit crap IMO, and I was using it to test something in the rendering.
- dreamrealprimate's gonna get front billing monday morning.
- dreamrealunless something unusual happens, I suppose, but that's the PLAN.
- phalethchovy: claude code CLI published it's source maps recently and so nowadays people are busy starring all those reconstructed github repos called claw code or whatever and that's where all all the github stars go
- phalethmyself I do not understand why would a CLI need source maps in the first place, but I guess it's always good when code gets leaked
- dreamrealI don't think so.
- phalethwell at least everyone can see how terrible that cli is
- chovydreamreal: "Front Billing" wdym?
- chovyphaleth: is their code bad??? lol
- chovyfucking enterprise closed source garbage
- phalethyeah, most likely
- dreamrealWhat do you mean? I'm not sure what that response is saying.
- dreamrealI mean, I respect work product: if you worked on something and *sent me your code*, awesome. If you worked on something and asked me to use it and it worked well... and you didn't send me the code? I'm not going to go grasping for it. It's YOURS.
- dreamrealClaude's code is THEIRS. How is this any different?
- chovynot sure what you're getting at dreamreal
- chovyi have been working in silicon valley for 30 years as an engineer and ALL corporate codebases are a fucking disaster.
- chovyat least with foss you know its clean
- dreamrealchovy: it's their code. What does its state matter? I've been in the industry for a minute, too.
- dreamrealReally?
- dreamrealI mean, I've seen a lot of FOSS...
- chovyat chegg we had a User.js file that was 100k lines of code no modules
- chovysorry no that was fuckign IBM lol
- chovywe rewrite that shit after 1 year
- chovyired
- dreamrealI mean... so?
- chovywe rewrite that shit after 1 year of being acquired
- dreamrealThis is a matter of ownership and ethics.
- chovywho is goinna read a 100k file?
- dreamrealDunno! Does it matter?
- dreamrealAn AI probably would, and man, that'd be fun
- dreamrealIf something is MINE, what right do you have to it unless I give it to you?
- chovyi hear what you're saying but in reality most code is just fucking spaghetti. not saying i'm any beteter but i try not to go over 100 lines in a file
- dreamrealI mean... who cares?
- dreamrealThat's not bad advice (to keep files short) but ... so what? What does that have to do with claude?
- bluechovy: 280ish, I believe
- bluechovy: in 2026, we're *still* the only framework that supports js as a first-class citizen
- bluedreamreal: primate 0.37 is coming out today. if you want to publish a story, THAT is way more important than the rcompat thingy
- bluealso it's Easter Primate
- dreamrealreleasing on SATURDAY? fsck, that IS something you need to write
- chovydreamreal: nothing. now. ai is far better than the people i ever worked with
- bluedreamreal: not ANY Saturday. EASTER Saturday!
- dreamreal... I feel like we're having different conversations, chovy
- dreamrealblue: If you're trying to minimize impressions, that's a good way to do it :D even my programming-obsessed friends are taking today off, it's morons like me who're still paying attention
- dreamrealeaster saturday isn't relevant for me, but shabbat is and even so, here I am :D
- bluedreamreal: I don't care about that, and you know that
- blueI'm not a marketing guy, not in this life, nor will I ever become, and I'm not gonna try, if the release is done I'm gonna release it
- dreamrealI do, but it's worth making the decision deliberately. I'd *love* to have primate releases announced on BCN, for what it's worth
- dreamrealif it's today, today it is.
- bluethere are people waiting for features, I'm not gonna block them for marketing purposes
- dreamrealSo what does 0.37 add? the rcompat stuff I already queued for monday, I guess, but ...
- bluedreamreal: https://primate.run/blog/primate-037
- nevetPrimate — Primate 0.37: Revised modules, database migrations, and typed environment access
- dreamrealDo you support oracle or db2?
- blueno, since I don't know how to run them myself
- blueI'd like to support oracle, but for that I'd need to setup an oracle db locally
- dreamreal*nod* there are docker containers - derby is an implementation of db2 in java, not sure how good oracledb support would be. The PK stuff - it sounds like strings ARE NOT valid primary keys any more?
- blueyes
- bluewell it's still strings. it's just uuid strings
- dreamrealSo if I WANTED a pk of "dreamreal" it'd have to be a UUID with a unique index on a name field?
- dreamrealFWIW: container-registry.oracle.com/database/free:latest
- blueprobably, yes. it just means that key.primary and key.foreign won't allow you to use p.string
- bluenot using uuid means a can of worms of "how do I generate new pks" or "user has to do it manually". it could be a use case, but not one I find particularly attractive unless convinced otherwise
- dreamrealsure, it's an opinionated thing
- skillnews12Primate 0.37: Revised modules, database migrations, and typed environment access - https://primate.run/blog/primate-037
- nevetPrimate — Primate 0.37: Revised modules, database migrations, and typed environment access
- blueif key.{primary,foreign} were ever to support to p.string again, it'd have to come with a generation strategy
- dreamrealOh, THAT's why nevet took forever! It wasn't quoting US, it was quoting skillnews!
- blueso, key.primary(p.string, () => { /* return unique new string */ });
- bluethat being said, nothing stops you from using p.string without key.primary and setting the index in the db manually
- blueyou just don't participate in orm goodness in that world
- blueor well, pk-based orm goodness
- dreamrealDo you want to see what I drafted before I publish? I have thoughts, and you might not like them, but it's your project.
- dreamreal(and there's time: I still don't want to publish this TODAY.)
- dreamrealI am going to put it on social media, I think, and I'm not goingto say "two days ago I published..."
- bluerelease song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci_h4nJRga0
- nevetYouTube: The Diary Of Jane | Breaking Benjamin - Topic
- skillbot04,01► 14,01YouTube :: The Diary Of Jane
- bluedreamreal: ya?
- dreamrealhold on, revising
- dreamrealI tell you what, I'm gonna be low-key pissed if BCN never takes off :D
- bluewhy shouldn't it
- dreamrealmarketing, actual appeal, people don't read
- blueI have mostly stopped caring about what people think
- dreamrealmonetization is also a factor: it's a passion project for now, but passion only carries so much
- dreamrealif I'm the only one rowing the boat, it ain't gonna go far
- dreamrealI've had a few people say "ooo that'd be great to be published there" and when I say "yeah, write it up" it's crickets
- bluewell, people suck
- blueI've been the only one rowing the boat on primate for like 2 years and it's only got a handful of stars on gh, I recently stopped caring
- dreamrealI hear you (one of those stars is mine, for the record)
- dreamrealokay, you on google docs or anything like that?
- blueyes, potentially
- chovydreamreal: i guess so...idk
- chovythought we were just talking
- chovynot debating
- chovyanyway i trust oss more
- dreamrealchovy: we were, I just don't think we were talking about the same things
- bluechovy, he just means you're talking past each other
- chovythat's the main reason i use it over anything proprietary
- bluechovy: it's not the main reason, it's the master reason!
- blue:P
- chovyi like the foss+cloud model
- dreamrealblue: check DM
- dreamrealI do too but I also like to eat and have a roof over my head
- dreamrealIt's a decision I make deliberately to use open source as a distribution model, or CC-by-SA
- dreamrealbut the thing is: if I lost my day job, BCN goes away.
- dreamrealBecause if I were to go to a "hey, I gotta eat" model for it, nobody would pay for it REGARDLESS of value: they'd say "aw man, I sure wish someone would pay the author to create such great stuff" without ever once thinking "hey, why didn't *I* pay the author to create such great stuff"
- dreamrealblue: that article draft is NOT formatted for google docs, obviously
- blueya
- dreamrealediting that doc isn't going to help me much, but comments sure would since they'd give me a delta to work with
- dreamrealchovy: https://bytecode.news/posts/2026/04/layoffs-at-oracle
- bluedreamreal: ACK, good write-up
- blueI don't really have any comments, it's pretty much the gist of the release, the evaluation is also par for the course
- dreamrealOkay, cool. It's going to get pride of place on monday, I think.
- blueEaster Monday? :P
- dreamrealIs that a thing?
- dreamrealBut yes
- dreamrealpeople here work on monday after easter, it's not that kind of holiday
- dreamreallater
- blueso in germany, easter friday to monday are typically free
- dreamrealshould i wait until tue?
- blueno
- blueif easter monday ain't a thing in the us, then publish
- blueactually publish it whenver you want
- blueI'd publish it now :P
- bot[Primate Blog] Primate 0.37: Revised modules, database migrations, and typed environment access - https://primate.run/blog/primate-037
- dreamrealhttps://bytecode.news/posts/2026/04/primate-0-37-migrations-typed-env-and-a-cleaner-module-api
- bluedreamreal: awesome!
- dreamrealgave me a chance to flesh out a lot of factoids, too
- bluehttps://x.com/primate_run/status/2040447712659722314
- bluehttps://tboteproject.com/systemdfindings/
- nevetsystemd birthDate Merge: Corporate Filings, Conflicts of Interest, and Governance Failure
- bluethis is pretty crazy
- onosendiblue: have you tried liquid dnb? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s17e_5zK21s
- nevetYouTube: #304 KushSessions (Liquid Drum & Bass Mix) | KushSessions
- skillbot04,01► 14,01YouTube :: #304 KushSessions (Liquid Drum & Bass Mix)
- blueonosendi: I haven't!
- bluetrying now
- bluenot bad
- chovyso this is why i switched from primate to next/react i can build any app with any interface on any platform using that stack. i don't think you can do web extensions with primate
- chovyor mobile apps
- chovyor desktops or clis
- bluechovy: what's web extensions?
- blueand of course you can do that with primate. next isn't doing anything in particular that makes it mobile or deskopt ready
- blueyou're probably using sometihng else like react native or so
- chovyyou don't uswe next on mobile or web extensions
- chovyjust react
- chovyi use electroin for desktop
- chovyyes react native
- chovyfor mobile
- chovyi can build tuis with react now lol
- chovythat shit is everywhere!!
- chovyclaude won't let you work more than 12 hours at time before they temp ban you
- chovyhow you gonna become a billionaire working 12 hours a day?
- blueI thought you hated next chovy
- bluewhy are people using that nonsense, it's so terrible
- bluelike even if you don't use primate, there are *better* alternatives