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Thursday, May 28, 2026
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- bluephaleth: hi
- phalethhi blue
- bluephaleth: so I've converted the website to marko, which resulted in a bundle size reduction of around 40%
- blue107 -> 71K
- blueI still have to test a few things and optimise, but it's looking good
- phalethoh, that's very promising
- phalethI thought half of the thing is garbage but for sure there's gotta be some runtime
- bluesince the docs directory with the mds is 736K unconverted (which blows up, md -> html) and unminified, but I'd still say probably most of that 71K are the mds
- phalethI assume you've not pushed the changes to master yet?
- bluenope, still local, should be out today or tomorrow
- phalethok, no hurry
- bluebut everything works as far as I can see
- phalethnot sure about the mds? you mean paths to all those md files are bundled in?
- bluethe mds themselves are bundled in
- phalethyeah, but not client side right?
- phalethI've noticed there is a router, at least for docs that does some regex magic
- phalethI mean route
- blueI think clientside as well. let me check that
- phaleththat's not the case with current client side app bundle
- blueyeah, I just checked
- bluethey're not in the client app
- phalethok, but well if marko is this good then prolly we should use marko for repopack site as well
- bluemy thoughts exactly
- blue107 to 71 is a pretty significant drop in code size
- phalethand I hope it has less magic actually
- phaleththe current bundle is 111kBs
- bluewell, even better
- blueI checked it before I converted, no idea if I changed something
- phalethmaybe, but obviously not to worse
- blueso I have chatgpt analyse the bundle, it says:
- blue24.5 KB Compiled Marko app templates + site data
- blue22.9 KB Marko DOM runtime/helpers
- blue23.0 KB Primate client runtime
- blue1.7 KB root/bootstrap glue
- phalethis primate client runtime a thing?
- bluenot really sure why the primate runtime would be 23.0 KB, should look into that
- blueyes there's a bit of form submission and that kind of stuff, but the website isn't using it, if it gets bundled in, that's for nothing
- blueanyway, is likely some kind of hallucination
- blueclankers are notoriously bad at dealing with big files
- phalethI think clankers are just notoriously bad
- blueyes, I would subscribe to that
- blueanyway, regardless of what the rest is, this reduction is great already
- bluethis would bring us down to roughly 26 KB gzip and 23 KB brotli
- phalethyeah, I'd not worry about that before running benchmarks
- phalethnot gonna fall into brotli trap :)
- bluelol
- bluein the future, could be nice to be able to add a sourcemap to production builds if you add --sourcemap
- blueso you can analyse bundles better
- phalethgoogle can try to penalize websites all it wants because of not using brotli, but that's obvious nonsense
- blueI think google is obvious nonsense
- phalethgoogle is too focused on trying to own the interwebz
- blueya