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Wednesday, October 21, 2026 (America/New_York)

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  5. dreamrealblue: what abotu narration? Going to fix one thing for work for windows - dear lord I hate that OS - and then shift over
  6. dreamrealblue: the recurring theme is what hurts the FSF and GNU, as well: it's not unique to Zig :/
  7. bluedreamreal: I'm fairly agnostic. I lack the confidence to narrate it myself; but you may if you wish, in whatever tone and distancing-function that keeps you comfortable with it
  8. dreamrealThat's fine. I'm going through it now, in section 2
  9. bluealso yes, windows is terrible. and yes, Zig is showing the same stupidity
  10. bluedreamreal: on a personal note, which hasn't made it into the article because I tried to keep professional, andrew-zig has spiralled down in the last years. He was always a bit blue-tribe-crazy, but he was also to keep a veneer of professionalism. Recently he's letting his inner communist bleed through, and it is not pretty
  11. blueable to keep*
  12. dreamrealSuch is the nature of such alliances: once you make your position relevant, it turns out you have to keep your position relative to others, such that it's natural to become more extreme over time, ESPECIALLY if you're frustrated that others don't think as you do
  13. blueyup
  14. blueI have other aspects I kept out. They left nearyl 3k issues open on github, and declared them "obsolete". I feel that's somewhat tone-deaf as well: because people put effort into those
  15. dreamreal*nod* that's a wise choice on your part: it's already a jeremiad :D
  16. blueyup
  17. dreamrealMaking some small edits and comments, BTW
  18. dreamrealchanged "tax" to "burden" because the AIs LOOOOOOVE taxes
  19. blueyup
  20. jreicherdreamreal: what's the stuff about hurting FSF and GNU? I thought I had kept up with this channel but maybe not
  21. dreamrealjreicher: It's an article about Zig taking its philosophy about method and applying it far beyond its skis
  22. dreamrealFSF and GNU are like "hey, what we believe is FAR more important than what we do, and we'll screw up what we do in service to what we believe"
  23. bluechanged "permanent experiment" to "perpetual experiment"
  24. blueI want it to a bite a bit more :P
  25. blueAI is too nice
  26. dreamrealI think narration here is going to be a mighty struggle, because it's written so personally and the length
  27. blueyes
  28. dreamrealneither of those are bad, and it's written well
  29. blueremember you don't *have* to narrate. it's a hill in *your head*
  30. dreamrealbut narration by a second party is... a challenge
  31. blueyou can also leave it unnarrated
  32. dreamrealit'd be like narrating The Speech in Atlas Shrugged: 80 pages of John Galt is brutal and at some point it sounds like the narrator identifies, EVEN IF the narrator agrees
  33. dreamrealyeah
  34. blueyes
  35. dreamrealI mean, that's kinda where I am: there are places in this where I'm thinking "... well...." but overall, nodding
  36. blueya
  37. bluewell, mental hills and stuff. the moment you decide it's not a hill anymore, it isn't
  38. bluebut hey dreamreal, rereading it, I only feel the violence of how damning this article is
  39. dreamrealOkay, I think I've done my pass, the tax was the biggest "did an AI write this?" indicator - the use of the word isn't a positive but AI uses that a lot
  40. blueok
  41. blueI'm finishing the last pass... and I think we could then publish
  42. blueor well, *you* could publish
  43. blueBCN is your kid :P
  44. dreamrealAll I have to do is hit "approve" :D
  45. blueandrew-zig is really in love with calling things a liability..
  46. blueyou know what's else a liability? oxygen
  47. blueif we run out of it, we die
  48. blue>_>
  49. blueok, do I need to submit it or how does that work now?
  50. dreamrealIt's a hell of a lot easier if you submit it, yes
  51. dreamrealotherwise I have to alter the db directly to reassign authorship
  52. dreamreal(again, streampack is NOT a CMS)
  53. bluehm
  54. bluecopyin it from gdocs doesn't maintain the newlines
  55. bluedamn it, this is long, lol
  56. dreamrealPost content, period, I'll edit it with the gdocs content
  57. bluedreamreal: it would be nice to switch to a preview while submitting a draft
  58. dreamrealIT WOULD NOT. Grrrr. (Actually, it would, but... grrrr.)
  59. bluedreamreal: submitted
  60. dreamrealGrazi, looking
  61. bluenewlines are completely missing
  62. blueit would also be nice if I had a section where I could see my submitted articles
  63. blue(yes, I know you're trying to avoid a cms)
  64. dreamrealyes, file an issue, please
  65. dreamrealfile an issue for preview on draft, too, that's actually something for the UIs and not streampack but it affects them all
  66. blueI will try to overcome my github ptsd and file an issue
  67. blueright now, I'm fixing something else
  68. blueyour Sign out link seems out of vertical alignment
  69. blueoh man I gotta speed your tests
  70. dreamrealTHAT's a primate issue!
  71. bluesuch a small change should not take 2 mins to test
  72. dreamrealyou can limit tests!
  73. blueya well
  74. blueya
  75. blueI'm currently looking for visual feedback
  76. blueand now I have to figure out how to this start this locally
  77. blueand bypass the auht
  78. blueauth*
  79. dreamrealhold on
  80. bluewhat am I holding on for
  81. blueI love it that the dog implementing agent (sol 6) calls the reviewer (sol 6.1) a "PAW reviewer" because the review artifacts are gathered in a PAW.md document
  82. dreamrealsee discord
  83. dreamrealif you generate your own secret, you can use just run and hit the actual API
  84. dreamreal(the secret is local to the installation, it's not something BCN cares about)
  85. dreamrealgithub
  86. nevetGithub, github, it's our source repository! If it can't do it, holy crap who writes these.
  87. dreamreal:D
  88. blueok it's fixed, preparing PR
  89. dreamrealI'm using your actual dek and not the summary you slapped in :D
  90. blueI left the summary empty
  91. dreamrealOOOOOO nice
  92. dreamrealyeah, okay, Haiku slapped in a TERRIBLE summary for you :D
  93. dreamrealhahaha
  94. dreamreal(or maybe it was the heuristic, not sure, but whatever it was, it was not good)
  95. bluelol
  96. dreamrealsomething on the order of "zig is a programming language"
  97. dreamrealI mean... it is, yes, but... uh...
  98. bluebetter: "Zig is a dumpster fire"
  99. dreamrealOkay, about to approve
  100. dreamrealhttps://bytecode.news/posts/2026/10/the-zig-project-is-going-nowhere
  101. bluehttps://github.com/streampack-dev/ui-primate/pull/86
  102. bluelooking
  103. bluedreamreal: bun-in-rust is linked twice, that ok?
  104. blueboth in the prologue, and later in the appropriate section
  105. dreamrealof course
  106. bluek
  107. dreamrealprimate release underway
  108. blueprimate release? oh, ui-primate
  109. dreamrealyeah
  110. dreamrealsorry
  111. dreamrealMY primate release, not yours!
  112. bluehaha
  113. bot[ByteCode.News] The Zig project is going nowhere - https://bytecode.news/posts/2026/10/the-zig-project-is-going-nowhere
  114. bluedreamreal: did bytecode.news redeploy?
  115. bluethe button is still misaligned here
  116. bluemaybe brave is caching CSS again
  117. dreamrealNow it did, sorry, was looking at something else
  118. blueyay, fixed
  119. bluedreamreal: I'm really enjoying the task preview feature on repopack. Especially for visual feedback, it's very useful
  120. blueGranted, I'm *NOT* using complex apps: the primate website, the js stdlib website, the flog website. those all do not require a db or fixtures, so they're easy. but still
  121. dreamrealnoice
  122. bot[Node.js Blog] Wednesday, October 21, 2026 Security Releases - https://nodejs.org/en/blog/vulnerability/october-2026-security-releases
  123. bot[Node.js Blog] Node.js 26.12.1 (Current) - https://nodejs.org/en/blog/release/v26.12.1
  124. bot[Node.js Blog] Node.js 24.22.1 (LTS) - https://nodejs.org/en/blog/release/v24.22.1
  125. bot[Node.js Blog] Node.js 22.23.4 (LTS) - https://nodejs.org/en/blog/release/v22.23.4
  126. bluedreamreal: https://github.com/aardappel/goose
  127. bluemaster branch, no CoC, just my kind of project
  128. blueRust enums, match expressions, no heap, multi returns like Go
  129. blueI think we have a winner
  130. blue"In this repository's benchmarks, Goose runs faster than C++ and Rust while using less memory."
  131. systemfaultThat last quote sounds like BS though...
  132. blue"No allocator, no GC, no reference counting, no destructors. Memory is a handful of data stacks that the compiler assigns statically. Freeing a million-element structure is one store, however deeply it nests."
  133. bluesystemfault: https://github.com/aardappel/goose/blob/master/docs/tutorial.md#18-what-it-costs-you
  134. bot[ByteCode.News] Kristen Maevyn: The Decoherence Trap - https://bytecode.news/posts/2026/10/kristen-maevyn-the-decoherence-trap
  135. systemfaultAh yeah, if the language compiles to C++ and has a different memory model... then yeah, it can be as fast or faster than C++
  136. systemfault*compiles to C
  137. systemfaultMy main "It's BS" argument was from assuming it had its own optimizer
  138. blueya
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  140. bluehi phaleth
  141. phalethhi blue
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  146. bluesystemfault: getting somewhere... https://js.stdlib.run/
  147. nevetJavaScript standard library
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