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Wednesday, October 21, 2026 (America/New_York)

  1. dreamrealblue: what abotu narration? Going to fix one thing for work for windows - dear lord I hate that OS - and then shift over
  2. dreamrealblue: the recurring theme is what hurts the FSF and GNU, as well: it's not unique to Zig :/
  3. bluedreamreal: I'm fairly agnostic. I lack the confidence to narrate it myself; but you may if you wish, in whatever tone and distancing-function that keeps you comfortable with it
  4. dreamrealThat's fine. I'm going through it now, in section 2
  5. bluealso yes, windows is terrible. and yes, Zig is showing the same stupidity
  6. bluedreamreal: on a personal note, which hasn't made it into the article because I tried to keep professional, andrew-zig has spiralled down in the last years. He was always a bit blue-tribe-crazy, but he was also to keep a veneer of professionalism. Recently he's letting his inner communist bleed through, and it is not pretty
  7. blueable to keep*
  8. dreamrealSuch is the nature of such alliances: once you make your position relevant, it turns out you have to keep your position relative to others, such that it's natural to become more extreme over time, ESPECIALLY if you're frustrated that others don't think as you do
  9. blueyup
  10. blueI have other aspects I kept out. They left nearyl 3k issues open on github, and declared them "obsolete". I feel that's somewhat tone-deaf as well: because people put effort into those
  11. dreamreal*nod* that's a wise choice on your part: it's already a jeremiad :D
  12. blueyup
  13. dreamrealMaking some small edits and comments, BTW
  14. dreamrealchanged "tax" to "burden" because the AIs LOOOOOOVE taxes
  15. blueyup
  16. jreicherdreamreal: what's the stuff about hurting FSF and GNU? I thought I had kept up with this channel but maybe not
  17. dreamrealjreicher: It's an article about Zig taking its philosophy about method and applying it far beyond its skis
  18. dreamrealFSF and GNU are like "hey, what we believe is FAR more important than what we do, and we'll screw up what we do in service to what we believe"
  19. bluechanged "permanent experiment" to "perpetual experiment"
  20. blueI want it to a bite a bit more :P
  21. blueAI is too nice
  22. dreamrealI think narration here is going to be a mighty struggle, because it's written so personally and the length
  23. blueyes
  24. dreamrealneither of those are bad, and it's written well
  25. blueremember you don't *have* to narrate. it's a hill in *your head*
  26. dreamrealbut narration by a second party is... a challenge
  27. blueyou can also leave it unnarrated
  28. dreamrealit'd be like narrating The Speech in Atlas Shrugged: 80 pages of John Galt is brutal and at some point it sounds like the narrator identifies, EVEN IF the narrator agrees
  29. dreamrealyeah
  30. blueyes
  31. dreamrealI mean, that's kinda where I am: there are places in this where I'm thinking "... well...." but overall, nodding
  32. blueya
  33. bluewell, mental hills and stuff. the moment you decide it's not a hill anymore, it isn't
  34. bluebut hey dreamreal, rereading it, I only feel the violence of how damning this article is
  35. dreamrealOkay, I think I've done my pass, the tax was the biggest "did an AI write this?" indicator - the use of the word isn't a positive but AI uses that a lot
  36. blueok
  37. blueI'm finishing the last pass... and I think we could then publish
  38. blueor well, *you* could publish
  39. blueBCN is your kid :P
  40. dreamrealAll I have to do is hit "approve" :D
  41. blueandrew-zig is really in love with calling things a liability..
  42. blueyou know what's else a liability? oxygen
  43. blueif we run out of it, we die
  44. blue>_>
  45. blueok, do I need to submit it or how does that work now?
  46. dreamrealIt's a hell of a lot easier if you submit it, yes
  47. dreamrealotherwise I have to alter the db directly to reassign authorship
  48. dreamreal(again, streampack is NOT a CMS)
  49. bluehm
  50. bluecopyin it from gdocs doesn't maintain the newlines
  51. bluedamn it, this is long, lol
  52. dreamrealPost content, period, I'll edit it with the gdocs content
  53. bluedreamreal: it would be nice to switch to a preview while submitting a draft
  54. dreamrealIT WOULD NOT. Grrrr. (Actually, it would, but... grrrr.)
  55. bluedreamreal: submitted
  56. dreamrealGrazi, looking
  57. bluenewlines are completely missing
  58. blueit would also be nice if I had a section where I could see my submitted articles
  59. blue(yes, I know you're trying to avoid a cms)
  60. dreamrealyes, file an issue, please
  61. dreamrealfile an issue for preview on draft, too, that's actually something for the UIs and not streampack but it affects them all
  62. blueI will try to overcome my github ptsd and file an issue
  63. blueright now, I'm fixing something else
  64. blueyour Sign out link seems out of vertical alignment
  65. blueoh man I gotta speed your tests
  66. dreamrealTHAT's a primate issue!
  67. bluesuch a small change should not take 2 mins to test
  68. dreamrealyou can limit tests!
  69. blueya well
  70. blueya
  71. blueI'm currently looking for visual feedback
  72. blueand now I have to figure out how to this start this locally
  73. blueand bypass the auht
  74. blueauth*
  75. dreamrealhold on
  76. bluewhat am I holding on for
  77. blueI love it that the dog implementing agent (sol 6) calls the reviewer (sol 6.1) a "PAW reviewer" because the review artifacts are gathered in a PAW.md document
  78. dreamrealsee discord
  79. dreamrealif you generate your own secret, you can use just run and hit the actual API
  80. dreamreal(the secret is local to the installation, it's not something BCN cares about)
  81. dreamrealgithub
  82. nevetGithub, github, it's our source repository! If it can't do it, holy crap who writes these.
  83. dreamreal:D
  84. blueok it's fixed, preparing PR
  85. dreamrealI'm using your actual dek and not the summary you slapped in :D
  86. blueI left the summary empty
  87. dreamrealOOOOOO nice
  88. dreamrealyeah, okay, Haiku slapped in a TERRIBLE summary for you :D
  89. dreamrealhahaha
  90. dreamreal(or maybe it was the heuristic, not sure, but whatever it was, it was not good)
  91. bluelol
  92. dreamrealsomething on the order of "zig is a programming language"
  93. dreamrealI mean... it is, yes, but... uh...
  94. bluebetter: "Zig is a dumpster fire"
  95. dreamrealOkay, about to approve
  96. dreamrealhttps://bytecode.news/posts/2026/10/the-zig-project-is-going-nowhere
  97. bluehttps://github.com/streampack-dev/ui-primate/pull/86
  98. bluelooking
  99. bluedreamreal: bun-in-rust is linked twice, that ok?
  100. blueboth in the prologue, and later in the appropriate section
  101. dreamrealof course
  102. bluek
  103. dreamrealprimate release underway
  104. blueprimate release? oh, ui-primate
  105. dreamrealyeah
  106. dreamrealsorry
  107. dreamrealMY primate release, not yours!
  108. bluehaha
  109. bot[ByteCode.News] The Zig project is going nowhere - https://bytecode.news/posts/2026/10/the-zig-project-is-going-nowhere
  110. bluedreamreal: did bytecode.news redeploy?
  111. bluethe button is still misaligned here
  112. bluemaybe brave is caching CSS again
  113. dreamrealNow it did, sorry, was looking at something else
  114. blueyay, fixed
  115. bluedreamreal: I'm really enjoying the task preview feature on repopack. Especially for visual feedback, it's very useful
  116. blueGranted, I'm *NOT* using complex apps: the primate website, the js stdlib website, the flog website. those all do not require a db or fixtures, so they're easy. but still
  117. dreamrealnoice
  118. bot[Node.js Blog] Wednesday, October 21, 2026 Security Releases - https://nodejs.org/en/blog/vulnerability/october-2026-security-releases
  119. bot[Node.js Blog] Node.js 26.12.1 (Current) - https://nodejs.org/en/blog/release/v26.12.1
  120. bot[Node.js Blog] Node.js 24.22.1 (LTS) - https://nodejs.org/en/blog/release/v24.22.1
  121. bot[Node.js Blog] Node.js 22.23.4 (LTS) - https://nodejs.org/en/blog/release/v22.23.4
  122. bluedreamreal: https://github.com/aardappel/goose
  123. bluemaster branch, no CoC, just my kind of project
  124. blueRust enums, match expressions, no heap, multi returns like Go
  125. blueI think we have a winner
  126. blue"In this repository's benchmarks, Goose runs faster than C++ and Rust while using less memory."
  127. systemfaultThat last quote sounds like BS though...
  128. blue"No allocator, no GC, no reference counting, no destructors. Memory is a handful of data stacks that the compiler assigns statically. Freeing a million-element structure is one store, however deeply it nests."
  129. bluesystemfault: https://github.com/aardappel/goose/blob/master/docs/tutorial.md#18-what-it-costs-you
  130. bot[ByteCode.News] Kristen Maevyn: The Decoherence Trap - https://bytecode.news/posts/2026/10/kristen-maevyn-the-decoherence-trap
  131. systemfaultAh yeah, if the language compiles to C++ and has a different memory model... then yeah, it can be as fast or faster than C++
  132. systemfault*compiles to C
  133. systemfaultMy main "It's BS" argument was from assuming it had its own optimizer
  134. blueya
  135. bluehi phaleth
  136. phalethhi blue
  137. bluesystemfault: getting somewhere... https://js.stdlib.run/
  138. nevetJavaScript standard library